Open Thread 137.25

This is the twice-weekly hidden open thread, but I’m making it visible today so I can make announcements:

1. There’s a new effective altruism survey up by Peter Hurford and Rethink Charity. If you consider yourself interested in or affiliated with EA, please take a look.

2. Sorry I’ve been spamming you all with meetup announcements. I plan to continue to do this for another two weeks or so. Next up are Ann Arbor, Chicago, Austin, Portland, and Seattle. Organizers in these cities, please be prepared for 50 to 100 or more people (if you’re not, let me know and we’ll figure something out). Some groups have had good luck starting at a public place and then having a house/apartment to go to when the public place is closing and the people have thinned out a little. Also please remember to bring a clipboard, paper, and a pen so people interested in future meetups can sign up for a mailing list.

3. Related: the Seoul, South Korea meetup has changed times to Saturday, September 28, 12:30 PM.

4. New advertisement up for the Charter Cities Institute, which is working with developing countries to create special economic zones encouraging innovation and good governance.

5. Comments of the week: CPlusPlusDeveloper explains the case for skepticism in the War on Opiates (I don’t know enough to endorse or deny, but I’m glad to see it put so lucidly). And Theodidactus and AshLael have worked in politics and give insider impressions of how money in politics works (or doesn’t work).

6. SSC-adjacent culture war subreddit r/TheMotte now has its own podcast, The Bailey. Latest episode is on issues surrounding discussing politics at work, with nods to some new Google policy; download it here.

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Washington DC Meetup This Tuesday

When: Tuesday, September 24. The meetup organizers told me to say 5 PM, but unless the stereotypes about government jobs are all true, this sounds too early. I’ll try to arrive at 5, but let’s unofficially aim for 6:30 as the time most people will be there.

Where: Teaism Coffee shop, 400 8th Street NW, Washington DC. But if it gets too crowded, we might move to the Navy Memorial Plaza just outside. You can check this Google Group for updates on this. Sorry!

Why: I’ll be in DC as part of the Meetups Everywhere tour. Also featuring special guests Georgia Ray of Eukaryote Writes, Alex Tabarrok of Marginal Revolution, a few people from MIRI and EA organizations visiting from the Bay, and other people who I might retroactively declare to be special guests once I know about them.

Who: Anyone who wants. Please feel free to come even if you feel awkward about it, even if you’re not “the typical SSC reader”, even if you’re worried people won’t like you, even if your approval rating is stuck in the low 40s and you didn’t even win the popular vote, etc.

How: For more info, contact robirahman94[at]gmail[dot]com, or check the Google Group.

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Open Thread 137 (+ Meetup Corrections)

This is the bi-weekly visible open thread (there are also hidden open threads twice a week you can reach through the Open Thread tab on the top of the page). Post about anything you want, but please try to avoid hot-button political and social topics. You can also talk at the SSC subreddit or the SSC Discord server – and also check out the SSC Podcast. Also:

1. I’m traveling so I failed to get in all your meetup time/place change requests in time. Sorry Minneapolis, hope you were able to work something out despite my poor response time. Zurich is changing locations to The Sacred/Vegelateria at Müllerstrasse 64. Pittsburgh was a total coordination disaster, sorry, they are going to try again 6 PM 10/19 at 804 Anaheim St. Darmstadt is now scheduled for 2 PM 10/20 at Wilhelminenstraße 17. And Princeton is having a partly-SSC-affiliated effective altruist meetup 9/23 which a few prominent EAs from the Bay Area will be attending, see here for details. I will keep updating the city meetups list with the latest changes and information as I get it.

2. Of the two meetups I’ve announced on the blog so far, Boston had ~140 people and NYC had ~120. If you’re organizing one of these meetups (highlighted blue on the list), in a city about the same size as those, please be prepared for a similar-sized turnout. Also, if you have a local group with regular meetings, please bring a signup sheet so interested meetupgoers can get on your mailing list.

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Philadelphia Meetup This Sunday

When: Sunday, September 22, 6:30 PM

Where: Tir Na Nog Bar & Grill, 1600 Arch Street

Why: I’ll be in Philadelphia as part of the Meetups Everywhere tour

Who: Anyone who wants. Please feel free to come even if you feel awkward about it, even if you’re not “the typical SSC reader”, even if you’re worried people won’t like you, etc.

How: For more info, contact wfenza[at]gmail or dmcbriggs[at]gmail. The restaurant is inside the Phoenix Hotel, directly above Suburban Station. We have the entire outer vestibule area reserved.

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NYC Meetup This Saturday

When: Saturday, September 21, 4:00 PM

Where: Pumphouse Park

Why: I’ll be in New York as part of the Meetups Everywhere tour

Who: Anyone who wants. Please feel free to come even if you feel awkward about it, even if you’re not “the typical SSC reader”, even if you’re worried people won’t like you, etc.

How: For more info, contact tristan[at]thume[dot]ca; 646-480-0618. If it’s raining or we’re otherwise not there go to the main atrium of Brookfield Place, which is adjacent to the park.

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Boston Meetup This Friday

When: Friday, September 20, 7:00 PM

Where: 199 Harvard St Apt 2, Cambridge (about 8 minutes walk from Central MBTA station)

Why: I’ll be in Boston as part of the Meetups Everywhere tour

Who: Anyone who wants. Please feel free to come even if you feel awkward about it, even if you’re not “the typical SSC reader”, even if you’re worried people won’t like you, etc.

How: For more info, contact boston-lw-organizers[at]googlegroups[dot]com, or check the Facebook event or Less Wrong event

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Too Much Dark Money In Almonds

Everyone always talks about how much money there is in politics. This is the wrong framing. The right framing is Ansolabehere et al’s: why is there so little money in politics? But Ansolabehere focuses on elections, and the mystery is wider than that.

Sure, during the 2018 election, candidates, parties, PACs, and outsiders combined spent about $5 billion – $2.5 billion on Democrats, $2 billion on Republicans, and $0.5 billion on third parties. And although that sounds like a lot of money to you or me, on the national scale, it’s puny. The US almond industry earns $12 billion per year. Americans spent about 2.5x as much on almonds as on candidates last year.

But also, what about lobbying? Open Secrets reports $3.5 billion in lobbying spending in 2018. Again, sounds like a lot. But when we add $3.5 billion in lobbying to the $5 billion in election spending, we only get $8.5 billion – still less than almonds.

What about think tanks? Based on numbers discussed in this post, I estimate that the budget for all US think tanks, liberal and conservative combined, is probably around $500 million per year. Again, an amount of money that I wish I had. But add it to the total, and we’re only at $9 billion. Still less than almonds!

What about political activist organizations? The National Rifle Association, the two-ton gorilla of advocacy groups, has a yearly budget of $400 million. The ACLU is a little smaller, at $234 million. AIPAC is $80 million. The NAACP is $24 million. None of them are anywhere close to the first-person shooter video game “Overwatch”, which made $1 billion last year. And when we add them all to the total, we’re still less than almonds.

Add up all US spending on candidates, PACs, lobbying, think tanks, and advocacy organizations – liberal and conservative combined – and we’re still $2 billion short of what we spend on almonds each year. In fact, we’re still less than Elon Musk’s personal fortune; Musk could personally fund the entire US political ecosystem on both sides for a whole two-year election cycle.

But let’s go further.

According to this article, Mic.com sold for less than $5 million. Mashable sold for less than $50 million. The whole Gawker network (plus some other stuff including the Onion) sold for $50 million. There are some hints that Vox is worth a high-eight-digit to low-nine-digit amount of money. The Washington Post was sold for $250 million in 2013 (though it’s probably worth more now). These properties seem to be priced entirely as cash cows – based on their ability to make money through subscriptions or ads. The extra value of using them for political influence seems to be priced around zero, and this price seems to be correct based on how little money is spent on political causes.

Or: Jacobin spends a lot of time advocating socialism. The Economist spends a lot of time advocating liberalism. First Things spends a lot of time advocating conservatism. They all have one thing in common: paywalls. How could this be efficient? There are millions of people who follow all of these philosophies and really want to spread them. And there are other people who have dedicated their lives to producing great stories and essays advocating and explaining these philosophies – but people have to pay $29.99 for a subscription to read their work? Why do ideologies make people pay to read their propaganda?

Maybe the most extreme example here is Tumblr.com, which recently sold for $3 million, ie the cost of a medium-sized house in San Francisco. Tumblr has 400 million monthly visitors, and at least tens of millions of active users. These people talk politics all the time, usually of a far-left variety. Nobody thinks that one of the central political discussion platforms of the far-left is worth more than $3 million? Nobody on the right wants to shut it down? Nobody on the left wants to prevent that from happening? Nobody with a weird idiosyncratic agenda thinks being able to promote, censor, or advertise different topics on a site with tens of millions of politically engaged people is at all interesting?

(in case you’re keeping track: all donations to all candidates, all lobbying, all think tanks, all advocacy organizations, the Washington Post, Vox, Mic, Mashable, Gawker, and Tumblr, combined, are still worth a little bit less than the almond industry. And Musk could buy them all.)

The low level of money in politics should be really surprising for three reasons.

First, we should expect ordinary people to donate more to politics. A lot of the ordinary people I know care a lot about politics. In many of the events they care about most, like the presidential primaries, small donations matter a lot – just witness Tom Steyer begging for small donations despite being a billionaire. If every American donated $25 to some candidate they supported, election spending would surpass the almond industry. But this isn’t even close to happening. Bernie Sanders is rightly famous for getting unusually many small donations from ordinary people. It’s not clear exactly how much he’s received, but it looks like about $50 million total. This sounds like a lot of money, but if you use polls to estimate how many supporters he has, it looks like each supporter has on average given him $2. This is a nice token gesture, but surely less than these people’s yearly almond budget.

Second, we should expect the rich to donate more to politics. Many politicians want to tax billionaires; billionaires presumably want to prevent that from happening. Or wealthy people might just have honestly-held political opinions of their own. As rich as Elon Musk is, he’s only one of five hundred billionaires, and some of the others are even richer. So how come the amount of money in politics is so much less than many individual billionaires’ personal fortunes?

Third, we should expect big corporations to donate more to politics. Post Citizens United, corporations can supposedly put as much money into politics as they want. And they should want a lot. The government regulates corporations, so having friendly politicians in power can mean life or death for entire industries. Suppose hostile government regulation could decrease Exxon Mobil’s revenues 5% – you would think Exxon Mobil would be willing to spend 4% of its revenue to prevent this. But Exxon makes $280 billion per year. 4% of its revenue would already be larger than the whole US political ecosystem! In fact, according to Exxon’s own records, they only spend about $1 million per cycle. While they’re probably hiding something, they couldn’t hide donations the size of the whole rest of the political ecosystem, so it’s still pretty mysterious.

I think there are individual factors affecting all of these. As mentioned before, elections have spending limits (however inconsistently enforced) and may not be tractable to money. Think tanks may be more talent-limited than funding-limited. Media properties may be limited by the opinions of their journalists and subscribers (the Washington Post couldn’t pivot to being a conservative outlet without getting completely different employees and customers). Tumblr has already proven unable to censor its users without sparking a mass exodus. These issues are probably responsible for part of the underpricing. But it still seems surprising.

In his paper on elections, Ansolabehere focuses on the corporate perspective. He argues that money neither makes a candidate much more likely to win, nor buys much influence with a candidate who does win. Corporations know this, which is why they don’t bother spending more. Most research (plus the 2016 results) confirms that money has little effect on victory, so maybe this is true. But it would also have to be true that lobbying, the NRA, the media, etc don’t affect politics very much, which seems like a harder sell.

That leaves the Bernie Sanders supporters. Even if money doesn’t affect politics, Sanders supporters seem like about the least likely people to believe that. I think here we have to go back to the same explanation I give in Does Class Warfare Have A Free Rider Problem? People just can’t coordinate. If everyone who cared about homelessness donated $100 to the problem, homelessness would be solved. Nobody does this, because they know that nobody else is going to do it, and their $100 is just going to feel like a tiny drop in the ocean that doesn’t change anything. People know that a single person can’t make a difference, so they don’t want to spend any money, so no money gets spent. This is true for ordinary people, but it’s also true for billionaires and greedy corporations. No single greedy corporation wants to pony up the money to change the laws to favor greedy corporations all on its own, while its competitors lie back and free-ride on its hard work. So they basically donate token amounts and do nothing. By all accounts the Koch brothers actually believed in everything they were doing, and they had to, because you couldn’t make billionaires spend Koch-brothers-like levels of time and money out of self-interest.

In this model, the difference between politics and almonds is that if you spend $2 on almonds, you get $2 worth of almonds. In politics, if you spend $2 on Bernie Sanders, you get nothing, unless millions of other people also spend their $2 on him. People are great at spending money on direct consumption goods, and terrible at spending money on coordination problems.

I don’t want more money in politics. But the same factors that keep money out of politics keep it out of charity too.

The politics case is interesting because it’s so obvious. Nobody’s going to cynically declare “Oh, people don’t really care who wins the election, they just pretend to.” It’s coordination problems! It has to be!

So when I hear stories like that Americans could end homelessness by redirecting the money they spend on Christmas decorations, I don’t think that’s because they’re evil or hypocritical or don’t really care about the issue. I think they would if they could but the coordination problem gets in the way.

This is one reason I’m so gung ho about people pledging to donate 10% of their income to charity. It mows through these kinds of problems. I may not be a great person. But I spend more each year on the things I consider most important than I do on almonds, and this is the kind of thing that doesn’t happen naturally. It’s the kind of thing where I have to force myself to ignore the feeling of “just a drop in the ocean”, ignore whether I feel like other people are free-riding on me, and just do it. Pledging to donate money (and then figuring out what to do with it later) ensures I will take that effort, and not end up with revealed preferences that seem ridiculous in light of my values.

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Against Against Pseudoaddiction

I.

“Pseudoaddiction” is one of the standard beats every article on the opioid crisis has to hit. Pharma companies (the story goes) invented a concept called “pseudoaddiction”, which looks exactly like addiction, except it means you just need to give the patient more drugs. Bizarrely gullible doctors went along with this and increased prescriptions for their addicted patients. For example, from a letter in the Wall Street Journal:

Parroting Big Pharma’s excuses about FDA oversight and black-box warnings only discounts how companies like Johnson & Johnson engaged in pervasive misinformation campaigns and even promoted a theory of “pseudoaddiction” to encourage doctors to prescribe even more opioids for patients who displayed signs of addiction.

Or from CBS:

But amid skyrocketing addiction rates and overdoses related to OxyContin, Panara claimed the company taught a sales tactic she now considers questionable, saying some patients might only appear to be addicted when in fact they’re just in pain. In training, she was taught a term for this: “pseudoaddiction.”
“So the cure for ‘pseudoaddiction,’ you were trained, is more opioids?” Dokoupil asked.

“A higher dose, yes,” Panara said.

“Did this concept of pseudoaddiction come with studies backing it up?”

“We had no studies. We actually — we did not have any studies. That’s the thing that was kind of disturbing, was that we didn’t have studies to present to the doctors,” Panara responded.

“You know how that sounds?” Dokoupil asked.

“I know. I was naïve,” Panara said.

Pseudoaddiction is among the few medical concepts that’s made it far enough to get denounced by US senators. From Senator Maggie Hassan’s website:

Senator Hassan then asked Jennifer Taubert, Executive Vice President of Janssen Pharmaceuticals, about the company’s promotion of the unproven and dubious concept of “pseudoaddiction,” an idea advanced by the pharmaceutical industry claiming that when certain patients present signs of addiction it is because they were prescribed insufficient doses of opioids, and that instead of providing addiction treatment, doctors should increase their opioid doses. Ms. Taubert claimed to be unware of the term.

“Janssen promoted this made-up concept of pseudoaddiction on a website it approved and funded was called ‘Let’s Talk Pain’” Senator Hassan said. “Since then, your company has repeatedly said that your actions quote ‘in the marketing and promotion of our opioid pain medicines was appropriate and responsible.’ So Ms. Taubert, how can you possibly claim that promoting the theory of pseudoaddiction – that doctors should prescribe more opioids to patients showing signs of addiction – was appropriate and responsible?”

Let me confess: I think pseudoaddiction is real. In fact, I think it’s obviously real. I think everyone should realize it’s real as soon as it’s explained properly to them. I think we should be terrified that any of our institutions – media, academia, whatever – think they could possibly get away with claiming pseudoaddiction isn’t real. I think people should be taking to the streets trying to overthrow a medical system that has the slightest doubt about whether pseudoaddiction is real. If you can think of more hyperbolic statements about pseudoaddiction, I probably believe those too.

Neuroscientists define addiction in terms of complicated brain changes, but ordinary doctors just go off behavior. The average doctor treats “addiction” and “drug-seeking behavior” as synonymous. This paper lists signs of drug-seeking behavior that doctors should watch out for, like:

– Aggressively complaining about a need for a drug
– Requesting to have the dose increased
– Asking for specific drugs by name
– Taking a few extra, unauthorised doses on occasion
– Frequently calling the clinic
– Unwilling to consider other drugs or non-drug treatments
– Frequent unauthorised dose escalations after being told that it is inappropriate
– Consistently disruptive behaviour when arriving at the clinic

You might notice that all of these are things people might do if they actually need the drug. Consider this classic case study of pseudoaddiction from Weissman & Haddox, summarized by Greene & Chambers:

The 1989 introduction of pseudoaddiction happened in the form a single case report of a 17-year-old man with acute leukemia, who was hospitalized with pneumonia and chest wall pain. The patient was initially given 5 mg of intravenous morphine every 4 to 6 h on an as-needed dosing schedule but received additional doses and analgesics over time. After a few days, the patient started engaging in behaviors that are frequently associated with opioid addiction, such as requesting medication prior to scheduled dosing, requesting specific opioids, and engaging in pain behaviors (e.g., moaning, crying, grimacing, and complaining about various aches and pains) to elicit drug delivery. The authors argued that this was not idiopathic opioid addiction but pseudoaddiction, which resulted from medical under-treatment (insufficient opioid dosing, utilization of opioids with inadequate potency, excessive dosing intervals) of the patient’s pain. In describing pseudoaddiction as an “iatrogenic” syndrome, Weissman and Haddox inverted the traditional usage of iatrogenic as harm caused by a medical intervention. In pseudoaddiction, iatrogenic harm was described as being caused by withholding treatment (opioids), not by providing it.

Greene & Chambers present this as some kind of exotic novel hypothesis, but think about this for a second like a normal human being. You have a kid with a very painful form of cancer. His doctor guesses at what the right dose of painkillers should be. After getting this dose of painkillers, the kid continues to “engage in pain behaviors ie moaning, crying, grimacing, and complaining about various aches and pains”, and begs for a higher dose of painkillers.

I maintain that the normal human thought process is “Since this kid is screaming in pain, looks like I guessed wrong about the right amount of painkillers for him, I should give him more.”

The official medical-system approved thought process, which Greene & Chambers are defending in this paper, is “Since he is displaying signs of drug-seeking behavior, he must be an addict trying to con you into giving him his next fix.” They never come out and say this. But they define pseudoaddiction as meaning not that, and end up saying “in conclusion, we find no empirical evidence yet exists to justify a clinical ‘diagnosis’ of pseudoaddiction.” More on this later.

The concept of “pseudoaddiction” was invented as a corrective to an all-too-common tendency for doctors to assume that anyone who seems too interested in getting more medications is necessarily an addict. It was invented not by pharma companies, but by doctors working with patients in pain, building upon a hundred-year-long history of other doctors and medical educators trying to explain the same point.

And in case you think this is a weird ivory tower debate that doesn’t influence real clinical practice, I offer you these cases from my own experience. Stories slightly changed or merged together to protect patient privacy:

Case 1: Mary is an elderly woman who undergoes a surgery known to have a painful recovery process. The surgeon prescribes a dose of painkillers once every six hours. The painkillers last four hours. From hours 4-6, Mary is in terrible pain. During one of these periods, she says that she wishes she was dead. The surgeon leaps into action by…calling the on-call psychiatrist and saying “Hey, there’s a suicidal person on my ward, you should do psychiatry to her or something.” I am the on call psychiatrist. After a brief evaluation, I tell the surgeon that Mary has no psychiatric illness but needs painkillers every four hours. The surgeon lectures me on how There Is An Opioid Crisis, Y’Know, and we can’t negotiate with addicts and drug-seekers. I am a consultant on the case and can’t overule the surgeon on his own ward, so I just hang out with Mary for a while and talk about things and distract her and listen to her scream during the worst part of the six-hour cycle. After a few days the surgery has healed to the point where Mary is only in excruciating pain rather than actively suicidal, and so we send her home.

Case 2: Juan is a middle-aged man with depression who is using Geodon for antidepressant augmentation. This is kind of a weird choice, and has theoretical potential to interact poorly with some of his other medications, but nothing else has worked for him and he’s done great for ten years. He switches psychiatrists. The new psychiatrist is really worried about the theoretical interaction, so he tells him that he can’t take Geodon anymore and switches him to something else. Juan falls into a deep depression. He asks to have Geodon back and the doctor says no. Juan yells at the psychiatrist and says he is ruining his life. The psychiatrist diagnoses him with a personality disorder and anger management problems, and tells him to attend therapy. Juan actually does this for a while, but eventually wises up and switches doctors to me. I put him back on Geodon and within a month he’s doing great again. Note that Juan displayed every sign of “drug-seeking behavior” even though Geodon is not addictive.

Case 3: This one courtesy of Zvi. Zvi’s friend is diabetic. He runs out of insulin and asks his doctor for more. The doctor wants to wait until his next free appointment in a few weeks before prescribing the insulin. Zvi’s friend points out that he will die unless he gets more insulin now. The doctor gets very angry about this and spends a long phone call haranguing Zvi’s friend about how inconvenient it is that he’s demanding the insulin now rather than at a more convenient time. Zvi’s friend has to threaten the doctor with a lawsuit before the doctor finally relents and gives him the insulin. I like this story because, again, insulin is not addictive, there is no way that the patient could possibly be doing anything wrong, but the patient still gets treated as a drug-seeker. The very act of wanting medication according to the logic of his own disease, rather than at the doctor’s convenience, is enough to make his request suspicious.

Case 4: John is a 70 year old man on opioids for 30 years due to a mining-related injury. He is doing very well. I am his outpatient psychiatrist but I only see him once every few months to renew meds. He gets some kind of infection, goes to the hospital, and due to normal hospital incompetence he doesn’t get his opioids. He demands his meds, and like many 70 year old ex-miners in terrible pain, he is not diligently polite the whole time. The hospital doctors are excited: they have caught an opioid addict! They tell his family and outpatient doctors he cannot have opioids from now on, then discharge him. He continues to be in terrible pain. At first he sneaks pills from an extra bottle of opioids he has at home, but eventually he uses all those up. After this, he is still in terrible pain with no reason to expect this to ever change, and so he shoots himself in the chest. This is the first point in this entire process at which anyone attempts to tell me any of this is going on, so I get a “HEY DID YOU KNOW YOUR PATIENT SHOT HIMSELF? DOESN’T SEEM LIKE YOU’RE DOING VERY GOOD PSYCHIATRIST-ING?” call. The patient miraculously survives, eventually finds a new pain doctor, and goes on to live a normal and happy life on the same dose of opioids he was using before.

Case 5: Evelyn is an elderly woman with dental pain. She goes to her dentist, who prescribes opioids. She is concerned – aren’t opioids addictive? “Don’t worry, you’ll be fine”, says the dentist. The dentist keeps her on them for eight months out of some kind of bizarre incompetence that is not her fault. Then that dentist retires and transfers her to another dentist in the same practice. Evelyn asks the new dentist to refill her opioid prescription, and he freaks out – why is this patient on opioids? He refuses to refill the prescription. She gets really scared because she is about to withdraw from opioids cold turkey, and asks for a week’s worth of pills so she can taper down. The dentist calls her an addict and refuses. She asks for some kind of help, any kind of help, getting off the opioids, and the dentist tells her to go to a drug rehab so she can get treated by people who understand her addiction. Finally in desperation she calls the psychiatrist who is treating her for an unrelated problem (me), and I prescribe the standard opioid withdrawal regimen and talk her through the process. I would like to say this story has a happy ending, but she’s currently in post-acute withdrawal syndrome, so @#$% everybody involved.

Case 6: Sandy is a middle-aged woman on benzodiazepines, a potentially addictive anti-anxiety medication. She has been stable for twenty years. She switches doctors. The new doctor has heard that Benzodiazepines Are Bad And Addictive, so he discontinues them over her objections. Sandy becomes a miserable wreck and has panic attacks basically all the time for a few months. Whenever she tries to mention this to the doctor, he accuses her of being an addict and trying to con him into giving her drugs. After a few months of this, she leaves that doctor and switches to me. I put her back on her previous dose of benzodiazepines, and within two days she feels perfectly normal and gets on with her life.

Case 7: Robert is a young man who is prescribed trazodone 50 mg nightly for sleep. This goes well for several years. Then he gets in a fight with his wife and they are considering divorce. He’s really worried and angry and can’t sleep, and so after going several nights without sleep and feeling completely miserable, one night at 4 AM he takes two trazodone – 100 mg – and gets to sleep right away. He mentions this to his doctor, who accuses him of “unauthorized dose escalation”, ie going up on your drug without telling your doctor. He refuses to prescribe trazodone further. Robert is now totally unable to sleep. He ends up with me, I put him back on trazodone, tell him that the maximum safe dose of trazodone is 400 mg but that if 50 mg works for him I want him to try to stick to that except in emergencies so that he doesn’t build tolerance, and he continues taking 50 mg on average nights and 100 mg once or twice a year if things are really bad.

Let’s look at those warning signs of addiction again:

– Aggressively complaining about a need for a drug
– Requesting to have the dose increased
– Asking for specific drugs by name
– Taking a few extra, unauthorised doses on occasion
– Frequently calling the clinic
– Unwilling to consider other drugs or non-drug treatments
– Frequent unauthorised dose escalations after being told that it is inappropriate
– Consistently disruptive behaviour when arriving at the clinic

In Case 1, Mary requested her dose of painkiller be increased (from once per six hours to once per four hours). In Case 2, Juan asked for a specific drug by name (Geodon), and was unwilling to consider other drugs. In Case 3, Zvi’s friend frequently called the clinic (to get them to refill his insulin). In Case 4, John showed consistently disruptive behavior in the hospital and took extra unauthorized doses. Etc.

All of these are drug-seeking behaviors. But I maintain that none of these patients were addicted. The correct action in all of these cases is to listen to the patient’s reasons for wanting the drug, realize that you (the doctor) screwed up, and give them the drug that they are asking for. Although the point that these behaviors can be signs of addiction is well-taken and important, it’s equally important to remember they can be signs of other things too.

Media portrayals of pseudoaddiction portray it as this bizarre contortion of logic: “A patient is displaying signs of addiction, so you should give them more of the drug! Haha, nice try, pharma companies!” But this is exactly what you should do! The real problem lies with anyone who conceptualizes pseudoaddiction as a novel hypothesis that requires proof, rather than as the obvious possibility you have to check for before accusing patients of addiction.

II.

At this point, any reasonable person will think I’m trying to bait-and-switch you. Surely the reasonable position I’m defending isn’t the same as the dreaded “pseudoaddiction” that everyone knows is a pharma company swindle? Surely I must be straw-manning the pseudoaddiction opponents somehow?

I don’t think that I am. I want to go over Greene & Chambers (2015), Pseudoaddiction: Fact Or Fiction, in Current Addiction Reports. This is the most important paper establishing the current consensus against pseudoaddiction as a concept. It’s been cited in debates before Congress on the opioid crisis, featured on CBS, and is the primary source for the current consensus that pseudoaddiction has been “debunked”. This is the best and most thorough anti-pseudoaddiction paper, and if there’s more to the story we’ll probably find it there.

G&C start with a review of the pseudoaddiction literature, beginning with the case study I quoted above. I’m going to quote it again, since I think it’s really important to establish that everyone agrees this is the kind of thing we’re talking about:

The 1989 introduction of pseudoaddiction happened in the form a single case report of a 17-year-old man with acute leukemia, who was hospitalized with pneumonia and chest wall pain. The patient was initially given 5 mg of intravenous morphine every 4 to 6 h on an as-needed dosing schedule but received additional doses and analgesics over time. After a few days, the patient started engaging in behaviors that are frequently associated with opioid addiction, such as requesting medication prior to scheduled dosing, requesting specific opioids, and engaging in pain behaviors (e.g., moaning, crying, grimacing, and complaining about various aches and pains) to elicit drug delivery. The authors argued that this was not idiopathic opioid addiction but pseudoaddiction, which resulted from medical under-treatment (insufficient opioid dosing, utilization of opioids with inadequate potency, excessive dosing intervals) of the patient’s pain. In describing pseudoaddiction as an “iatrogenic” syndrome, Weissman and Haddox inverted the traditional usage of iatrogenic as harm caused by a medical intervention. In pseudoaddiction, iatrogenic harm was described as being caused by withholding treatment (opioids), not by providing it.

Instead of concluding that okay, Weissman and Haddox have a point and someone should get this kid some pain relief, they note that case reports are a low level of medical evidence, and nobody has ever done any big studies or meta-analyses that provide empirical proof of pseudoaddiction. They don’t explain what this would mean, or how you turn “stop torturing children due to a misplaced desire to nab addicts” into a p-value of less than 0.05. They just conclude that this means pseudoaddiction has never been empirically proven to exist, then discuss how some of the case reports of pseudoaddiction (though not Weissman and Haddox’s original) were sponsored by Big Pharma.

Then they get more philosophical, arguing that pain can never be objectively proven to exist. Also, even if it were objectively proven that someone was in pain, that person could still be an addict, since addicts can feel pain too. Therefore, we can never prove that there is a person who is in pain but not an addict, and therefore we cannot empirically prove the existence of pseudoaddiction. Some quotes so you can judge whether I’m being unfair:

The existence of pseudoaddiction, and its distinction from true addiction, is understood by proponents as being based on the patient’s reported motivation for pain relief (e.g., if their behavior results from pain, then they have pseudoaddiction, not addiction). The reliability of this conceptualization seems to hinge on the assumption that addiction and pain do not co-occur (unless one can comprehend the possibility that a patient can have fake addiction and true addiction at the same time!). However, it is not the case that pain and addiction are mutually exclusive conditions, and no clear evidence exists that having pain protects against the genesis or expression of addiction.

A primary difficulty in measuring pain is its highly subjective nature that is influenced by many cultural, situational, and individual neuropsychological factors [62–64]. Given the large degree to which pseudoaddiction does not distinguish itself from addiction, except based on subjective reporting of pain, and the extent to which opioid addiction is associated with or may even cause subjective pain, it is unclear how the application of pseudoaddiction has further enhanced the clinical assessment and management of pain.

In conclusion, we find no empirical evidence yet exists to justify a clinical “diagnosis” of pseudoaddiction. The renaming of pain with a term that essentially means “fake addiction” and serves to dismiss addiction as part of the clinical differential diagnosis is a construct that is conspicuously and uniquely attached to opioid therapies which are extremely addictive analgesics, among many other effective, evidence-based strategies for analgesia that are far less addictive. If pseudoaddiction is to remain an influential clinical construct that is taught in medical schools and textbooks, its usage and clinical acceptance need empirical support, with evidence-based disambiguation from addiction, and delineation of its treatment implications. However, to the extent that a diagnosis of pseudoaddiction relies on a self-report of pain (that is still essentially not objectively measurable) as the motivation for drug-seeking, it is not clear how rigorously it can ever be proven or disproven in human research.

It is hard to conclude from this review and the context of the current prescription opioid epidemic that pseudoaddiction is an objective, evidence-based diagnosis that has been clinically beneficial to patient lives. Instead, it may be most beneficial to retire the term and understand patients as simply having pain, opioid addiction, or very often both, and designing treatment strategies that best account for and balance the competing risk-benefit treatment concerns that these brain conditions imply.

Some of these quotes seem to suggest that it’s hard to define the border between addiction and pseudoaddiction. They don’t really make this argument clearly, but it could go something like – if addiction is an attempt to feel better than well, and pseudoaddiction is an attempt to feel better than some miserable baseline, and there’s no clear bright line between “so miserable you deserve drugs” and “so well that you don’t”, how can we wall of “pseudoaddiction” as a separate concept? I agree this is difficult, but it’s the same kind of difficulty you get in having any concept at all, so you should probably deal with it.

Others seem to kind of equivocate between “pseudoaddiction is fake” vs. “[the phenomenon described by the word pseudoaddiction] is real, but there’s no point in having a separate word for it.” The latter would be reasonable if there weren’t so many people saying the former. Because people are constantly misdiagnosing real distress as addiction, we need a word for when that happens, and pseudoaddiction is as good as any other.

Others seem to argue that pseudoaddiction doesn’t rise to the level of a medical diagnosis, with the faux-objectivity that implies. But nobody was previously trying to turn it into one – if you look at the paper that coined the term pseudoaddiction, it’s very clear that it’s just making a new word for a common-sense concept that everyone has known about for a long time.

Also, one of the G&C authors, Chambers, goes on to write a nearly identical paper which also attacks the concept of “self-medication”, Have Pseudoaddiction And Self-Medication Led Us Astray? It argues:

‘Self-medication’, a concept originating when psychiatrists noticed frequent tobacco, alcohol, and other drug use in the deinstitutionalized mentally ill, has been around for many decades, but was also formally elaborated on in the 1980’s. It has subsequently been endorsed and widely embraced in primary research and review papers and educational sources spanning the field of psychiatry, as the standard explanation for why persons with mental illnesses use substances. ‘Self-medication’ has become so widely and dogmatically accepted as the key explanation for substance use in mental illness, that it has become nearly synonymous with ‘dual diagnoses’. In both ‘pseudoaddiction’ and ‘self-medication’, drug use is explained as a choice to seek and use drugs for benefit—to gain symptom relief from pain or psychiatric symptoms. Whereas in addiction, the behavior is explained as compulsive, not a voluntary choice, that persists despite negative consequences, not because of benefits. As suggested in Table 1, the construct similarities between ‘pseudoaddiction’ and ‘self-medication’ are quite comprehensive, including how they consistently contradict the disease model of addiction.

Nobody is claiming that self-medication is an official medical diagnosis, so I conclude that is not the meat of G&C’s objection.

If we want to be super-charitable to them, we can focus on a paragraph from the self-medication paper which is more self-aware than anything I see in the pseudoaddiction paper:

Of course, untreated pain does exist. People do self-medicate (e.g. taking an antibiotic for pneumonia). And sometimes, taking addictive drugs (usually short term) can be very therapeutic. But it may be time to ask: Has the medical community and psychiatry in particular grown over-accustomed — even ‘addicted’ to overusing, academically endorsing, and clinically propagating, the proxy diagnoses of ‘pseudoaddiction’ and ‘self-medication’ to avoid dealing with addiction itself? If so, what forces have contributed to this phenomenon? Do doctors believe these constructs help them avoid heaping the criminalizing stigma of ‘addiction’ onto their patients? Do these constructs excuse doctors from dealing with addiction, when so many of us, and most detrimentally, psychiatrists, don’t know how to treat it, or can’t get paid for doing so, or, are so often accustomed to prescribing addictive drugs for a wide variety of indications? Have there been too many incentives, and too many effective marketing campaigns from corporate interests that manufacture and sell addictive drugs like nicotine, opioids, benzodiazepines and stimulants, that have over-inflated their medicinal attributes to doctors and the public, while minimizing their addictive downsides?

Here Chambers seems to be saying that maybe “pseudoaddiction” and “self-medication” describe real things, but that the pendulum has swung so far towards treating drug use as legitimate, and so far from being willing to call people “addicts”, that we need to excise ideas like pseudoaddiction and self-medication from the lexicon so that doctors will have no choice but to recognize addiction in their patients when they see it.

I disagree with this, but it’s at least a coherent position. But if you want to have this argument, say “pseudoaddiction is rarer than people think”. Don’t say “pseudoaddiction doesn’t exist”. If you say it doesn’t exist, then our first argument has to be over whether it exists, and as far as I can tell it obviously does.

I worry that G&C are vacillating among a bunch of different claims, making their argument hard to address. Sometimes they argue that no double-blind empirical study has proven pseudoaddiction. I think this is a category error, like wanting a double-blind empirical study to prove the existence of ennui. Sometimes they argue that pseudoaddiction cannot be proven to exist. I think this is true only in the very philosophical sense where pain cannot be proven to exist, and once we start using common sense, it clearly exists. Other times they argue that there’s no clear bright line between addiction and pseudoaddiction. I agree, but think there is no bright line between any concept and any other concept, so we better get used to this and not stop prescribing clinically indicated drugs on that basis. Other times they argue that pseudoaddiction should not be a reified diagnosis-like concept. I don’t think it is supposed to be, so they are attacking a straw man. Other times they argue that doctors are too likely to coddle addicts. I think this is a potentially fruitful thing to argue about, but they need to start this argument by saying the thing they actually believe, not an unrelated claim that “pseudoaddiction doesn’t exist”. Overall the argument seems muddled, and unworthy of the consensus in favor of its claims that it has produced.

III.

If pseudoaddiction is such a common-sense idea, how did we reach this point where people are deriding medicine for ever having believed in it?

As far as I can tell, the concept started off well-intentioned. But painkiller companies realized that the debate over when to diagnose addiction vs. pseudoaddiction was relevant to their bottom line, and started funding the pseudoaddiction side of it.

I’m not sure how substantial an effort this was. G&C note that of 224 papers mentioning pseudoaddiction, 22 were sponsored by pharma (but that means 202 weren’t). Of a stricter category of 12 papers that focused on arguing for the concept, 4 were sponsored by pharma (but 8 were not). Taking their numbers at face value, the majority of discussion of pseudoaddiction had no pharma company sponsorship. But the image of an expert getting up in front of a medical conference and telling doctors that the solution to opioid addiction was more opioids – something that certainly did happen, I’m not sure how often – was so lurid that it burned itself into the popular consciousness. The media exaggerated this from “basically good idea gets misused” to “doctors invent vicious lies to addict your loved ones” to get more clicks. Experts didn’t want to be the guy saying “well actually” in the middle of an Opioid Crisis, so they kept their mouths shut. Reporters copied each others’ denunciations of ‘pseudoaddiction’ without checking what the term really meant.

Into all this came the drug warriors. It’s hard for me to be angry at addictionologists, because they have a terrible job and are probably traumatized by it. But they really hate drugs and will say whatever it takes to make you hate drugs too. These are the people who gave us articles on how one hit of marijuana will get you addicted forever and definitely kill you, how one hit of LSD will make you go crazy and get addicted and probably kill you, how there can never be any legitimate medical reason for using cannabis, how e-cigarettes are deadly poison, and other similar classics. Sensing that they had the high ground, they wrote a couple of papers about how pseudoaddiction isn’t “empirically proven”, as if this were a meaningful claim. This gave the media the ammunition they needed to declare that pseudoaddiction was always pseudoscience and has now been debunked and well-refuted.

This is just my story, and it’s kind of bulverist. But if you think it’s plausible, I recommend the following lessons:

First, when the media decides to craft a narrative, and the government decides to hold a moral panic, arguments get treated as soldiers. Anything that might sound like it supports the “wrong” side will be mercilessly debunked, no matter how true it is. Anything that supports the “right” side will be celebrated and accepted as obvious, no matter how bad its arguments. Good scientists feel afraid to speak up and question the story, lest they be seen as “soft on the Opioid Crisis” or “stooges of Big Pharma”. This happens again and again on any issue people care about, and I want to reiterate for the nth time that you should treat reporting on medical, scientific, and social scientific topics as having almost zero credibility.

Second, you should stay cautious about bias arguments. Yes, some people pushed pseudoaddiction because they were shills of the opioid companies. But other people pushed pseudoaddiction because it was true. Just because you can generate the hypothesis “maybe people are just shills of the opioid companies” doesn’t mean you’ve disproven pseudoaddiction. And if you focus too hard on the opioid companies’ obvious financial bias, then you’ll miss less obvious but possibly more important biases like those of the drug warriors. Your best bet would have been to just stop worrying about biases and try to figure out what was actually true.

The opioid crisis is really bad. I nevertheless think pseudoaddiction is the most obviously true medical concept this side of Hippocrates. The denial of its existence is a failure of national epistemics that deserves more scrutiny than it’s getting.

SSC Meetups 2019: Times And Places

Thanks to everyone who offered to host a meetup. Full list of cities, times, and places is below. If you’re reading this, you’re invited. Please don’t feel like you “won’t be welcome” just because you’re new to the blog, demographically different from the average reader, or hate SSC and everything it stands for. You’ll be fine!

Some suggestions for organizers:

1. Bring a sign that says SSC MEETUP so people can find you
2. Bring nametags and markers
3. Bring a signup sheet where people can write their names and emails if they want to hear about future meetups.
4. If people want to get to know each other better outside the meetup, you might want to mention reciprocity.io, the rationalist friend-finder/dating site. It runs off Facebook, so you have to Facebook friend the other person first.
5. Please record how many people attend; I will ask for these numbers to help with future meetup posts.
6. If you take a picture and send it to me, I’ll try to post it here. I’ll ask for this later, please don’t email these to me until then.

If a city has **asterisks** around its name, nobody volunteered to host a meetup there, but SSC meetup director Mingyuan suspected you might have interested readers anyway. She chose a time, place, and random coffee shop as a Schelling point for these cities. There won’t be any organizers around, and no guarantee of anyone at all, but you can still go. If you go to these, in order to make it easier for everyone to find each other, try to arrive on time, wear something blue on top (shirt, hoodie, etc) as a signal, and/or bring SSC signs.

If a city’s name is in blue, that means I’ll be attending the meetup. I’ll try to announce each of these on the blog, and some of them might be subject to schedule change, so watch this space. A few people from various rationalist organizations interested in getting to know the further-flung parts of the community might be tagging along with me for some of the way.

Please look over your meetup to make sure it’s correct. If you have corrections, further details, or a new meetup to add, please post a top-level comment below containing the text “@MINGYUAN” so she can find it easily.

LIST OF CITIES

Albany, NY
Time: Saturday, September 21, 10:00 AM
Location: Stacks Espresso, 260 Lark St.
Contact: pellinorew[at]gmail

Amsterdam, Netherlands
Time: Saturday, September 28, 3:00 PM
Location: Grass in front of Weesperzijde 100
Contact: mathijs.henquet[at]gmail; Facebook event

Ann Arbor, MI
Time: Thursday, September 26, 6:30 PM
Location: TBD, check http://bit.ly/2lICqfW closer to the date for updates
Contact: algo2217[at]gmail

Atlanta, GA
Time: Saturday, October 12, 2:00 PM
Location: Hodgepodge Coffeehouse, 720 Moreland Avenue Southeast
Contact: steve[at]digitaltoolfactory[dot]net

Auckland, New Zealand
Time: Sunday, September 22, 4:00 PM
Location: Lim Chhour Food Court, 184 Karangahape Rd.
Contact: benjsmith[at]gmail; +64 22 685-4105; Facebook event
Details: Parking is available at Wilson’s Car Park on Cross Street. You may also find free street parking. There are excellent public transport links from many parts of the city. Please consider perusing the wonderful range of food options and purchasing a drink, snack, or meal to support our hosts. If you can’t fit it in the budget or just aren’t hungry, though, please come anyway as we’d love to have you!

Austin, TX
Time: Monday, September 30, 6:00 PM
Location: Central Market North Lamar, 4001 N Lamar Blvd.
Contact: azavoluk[at]gmail; Google group
Details: Either upstairs on the balcony or outside in the courtyard. Will email the google group, but we should be easy to spot.

Baltimore, MD
Time: Sunday, September 29, 7:00 PM
Location: 4th Floor, UMBC Performing Arts and Humanities Building
Contact: rivka[at]adrusi[dot]com

Bangalore, India
Additional search terms: Bengaluru
Time: Sunday, September 22, 4:00 PM
Location: Matteo Coffea, Church Street, Near MG road Metro Station
Contact: m.nihalmohan[at]gmail

Barcelona, Spain
Time: Saturday, September 21, 4:00 PM
Location: Plaça d’Espanya, 08004 Barcelona, Spain
Contact: ana_bcn[at]protonmail[dot]com
Details: We meet in Plaça d’Espanya at the big tower closest to Fira. Then depending on the weather we can go to Montjuic or Arenas. Feel free to send me an e-mail even if you can’t attend, so that we may catch up at another time.

Berkeley, CA
Time: Thursday, October 10, 6:00 PM
Location: “Event Horizon” (private residence), 2412 Martin Luther King Jr. Way
Contact: mingyuan[at]uchicago[dot]edu; Facebook event

Berlin, Germany
Time: Sunday, September 22, 7:00 PM
Location: Turmstr. 10, 10559 Berlin
Contact: ssc[at]alphabattle[dot]xyz
Details: The place is a club house for a club I’m in (JVB), so a store window, hard to miss. I’ll put up an SSC sign. Bus stops right in front, or subway to Turmstr or S-Bahn to Bellevue. You can buy drinks at ~cost. There are various takeaway options around if you want to bring something or order in. We’ll have the place to ourselves and can easily seat 30 people.

Boston, MA
Time: Friday, September 20, 7:00 PM
Location: 199 Harvard St Apt 2, Cambridge (about 8 minutes walk from Central MBTA station)
Contact: boston-lw-organizers[at]googlegroups[dot]com, Facebook event, Less Wrong event

Boulder, CO
Time: Monday, September 16, 7:15 PM
Location: The Rayback Collective, 2775 Valmont Rd.
Contact: Meetup.com
Details: I will have some sort of sign or folded paper that says “LW RRG” on it or something similar. Look for a tall man with long hair and a beard. We usually sit in the Southwest corner if possible, or in one of the couch circles along the west wall.

**Brighton, UK**
Time: Saturday, September 21, 2:00 PM
Location: Starbucks, 201 Western Rd.
Contact: None
Details: Meet in the upstairs seating area.

Brisbane, Australia
Time: Friday, October 11, 7:00 PM
Location: Level 1/210 Wickham St, Fortitude Valley QLD 4006, Australia
Contact: jarred.filmer[at]gmail
Details: The Boiler Room, Fortitude Valley, the bar behind the mural of Bill Murrary at Tomcat. Head up the stairs then curve left, you’ll see it.

Bristol, UK
Time: Thursday, September 26, 7:30 PM
Location: The Robin Hood, 56 St Michael’s Hill
Contact: Facebook event

**Brussels, Belgium**
Time: Saturday, September 21, 2:00 PM
Location: The Judgy Vegan, Rue des Capucins 55
Contact: None

**Budapest, Hungary**
Time: Saturday, September 21, 2:00 PM
Location: Starbucks, Egyetem tér 4, 1053 Hungary
Contact: None
Details: Meet in the outdoor seating area, if the weather allows

Buffalo, NY
Time: Sunday, September 29, 10:00 AM
Location: Five Points Bakery, 426 Rhode Island St.
Contact: spetey[at]gmail

Calgary, Canada
Time: Sunday, September 22, 1:00 PM
Location: Weeds Cafe, 1903 20 Ave NW
Contact: ssccalgary[at]yahoo[dot]com
Details: Please email me if you are going to attend. I live over an hour away, and would just like to make sure I don’t have to do the long drive if nobody will be attending, as the amount of interest in Calgary might be on the low side. Similarly, I would like to encourage anybody who is on the shy side, or who might be anxious about a small turnout to attend as well. To this end, if it looks like we’re going to have a group of 3 or less people, I will let you know beforehand and you can reconsider attending if you like; this way, you won’t have to worry that you’re going to be the only one to show up.

Cambridge, UK
Time: Wednesday, October 16, 7:00 PM
Location: The Burleigh Arms, 9-11 Newmarket Rd.
Contact: rlm72[at]cam[dot]ac[dot]uk

Canberra, ACT, Australia
Time: Wednesday, September 25, 6:00 PM
Location: The Snug Room at King O’Malley’s in Civic Centre
Contact: andy.bachler[at]gmail
Details: I have booked the Snug Room at King O’Malley’s which is a quiet room behind the bar. Should be low key and quiet enough to allow easy conversation.

Cape Town, South Africa
Time: Saturday, September 28, 11:00 AM
Location: Haas Coffee, 19 Buitenkant St, Cape Town City Centre
Contact: rashtayob[at]gmail

**Champaign-Urbana, IL**
Additional search terms: UIUC
Time: Saturday, September 21, 2:00 PM
Location: Illini Union Basement
Contact: None

Charlotte, NC
Time: Monday, September 16, 7:00 PM
Location: The Mighty Meeple, 8440 Pit Stop Ct NW #180, Concord, NC 28027
Contact: nospam[at]catallaxymedia[dot]com
Details: Mighty Meeple is a game store with a large backroom area of tables as well as a ton of free board games to play during this time frame for their Board Game Night. You can also bring your own food, although they have drinks and snacks available for purchase. My plan will be to sit at a long table with my young adult family and play games with a sign reading SSC so you can find us. There will be at least 4-6 people already. We can chat and/or play various games together. Please email me to introduce yourself or RSVP. I’ll reply-all just before so everyone attending knows what to expect.

Chicago, IL
Time: Saturday, September 28, 6:00 PM
Location: South Loop Strength & Conditioning, 645 S Clark St.
Contact: todd[at]southloopsc[dot]com
Details: The location is my gym, so we’ve got a large open space ripe for exercising socializing.

Cleveland, OH
Time: Saturday, September 28, 1:00 PM
Location: Tabletop Cleveland, 1810 W 25th St.
Contact: ferbfreeman[at]gmail

Cologne, Germany
Time: Saturday, September 21, 5:00 PM
Location: Marienweg 43, 50858 Köln
Contact: marcel_mueller[at]mail[dot]de
Details: Private venue, everyone who wants to attend is welcome. If you are unable to find us call +491788862254.

Columbus, OH
Time: Sunday, September 22, 6:00 PM
Location: 397 Eldridge Ave.
Contact: james.thomas.hays[at]gmail
Details: Private residence. Food will be provided. RSVPs preferred to help with planning purposes, but not required.

Copenhagen, Denmark
Time: Saturday, September 21, 7:00 PM
Location: Studenterhuset, Købmagergade 52, Denmark
Contact: soeren.elverlin[at]gmail

Dallas, TX
Time: Sunday, September 15, 5:00 PM
Location: Magic Cup Cafe, North Jupiter Road, Richardson, TX
Contact: tayfie[at]pm[dot]me; LessWrong

Darmstadt, Germany
Time: Sunday, October 20, 2:00 PM
Location: Wilhelminenstraße 17
Contact: ssc.darmstadt[at]outlook[dot]de

Denver, CO
Time: Saturday, October 5, 6:00 PM
Location: 1520 1/2 Lowell Blvd
Contact: fsjdnjdnsjkuuoqq[at]aol[dot]com

Dublin, Ireland
Time: Saturday, September 21, 2:00 PM
Location: Starbucks, Stephen Court, GF1, St Stephen’s Green, Dublin 2, D02 N960, Ireland
Contact: enagohan[at]gmail; Facebook event; LessWrong

**Edinburgh, Scotland**
Time: Saturday, September 21, 2:00 PM
Location: Starbucks, 124 High St, Edinburgh EH1 1SG, UK
Contact: None
Details: Meet in the upstairs seating area

Fairbanks, AK
Time: Sunday, October 6, 9:00 PM
Location: Starbucks, 3755 Airport Way
Contact: scott[at]slatestarcodex[dot]com
Details: May or may not happen; await details on blog the day before

Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Time: Saturday, September 21, 7:00 PM
Location: Uncommon Grounds, 1030 South Park Street
Contact: ahobata[at]gmail

Hamburg, Germany
Time: Saturday, September 21, 5:00 PM
Location: Troy Office, Maienweg 310, 22335 Hamburg, Germany
Contact: gunnar.zarncke[at]gmx[dot]de
Details: We are meeting in the small company office of the fintech startup troy in the 4th floor. Just ring at “troy”. Depending on the weather we can sit on our nice balcony. It would be nice if guests could bring blankets. This is not an official company event but privately organized. Some foods and drinks might be provided, but I’d appreciate if you contribute. There will be some prepared ice breakers and discussion topics, but you are free to contribute or just meet and talk.

Helsinki, Finland
Time: Tuesday, September 24, 6:00 PM
Location: Restaurant Dubliner Kaivopiha, Mannerheimintie 5
Contact: joenash499[at]gmail
Details: We will be in the private room called Guinness Lounge. You can expect something like a normal night at the pub, except with a group consisting of other SSC readers (and without the background noise, since we’ll be in a private room.) You don’t have to contact anyone in advance, you can just show up.

**Honolulu, HI**
Time: Saturday, September 21, 2:00 PM
Location: Starbucks, 680 Ala Moana Blvd A101
Contact: None

Houston, TX
Time: Sunday, September 15, 2:00 PM
Location: Brasil Cafe, 2604 Dunlavy St.
Contact: walambert.work[at]gmail; LessWrong; Facebook group; Google group; Discord server (link expires after 5 uses, please contact me if you want to join our Discord but the link has stopped working)

Indianapolis, IN
Time: Saturday, September 21, 4:00 PM
Location: ShoeFly Public House, 122 East 22nd Street
Contact: molybdenumblue[at]gmail

Iowa City, IA
Time: Sunday, September 15, 1:00 PM
Location: The Java House, 211 E Washington St.
Contact: potentgamer[at]gmail

Irvine, CA
See “Orange County”, below.

**Jacksonville, FL**
Time: Saturday, September 21, 2:00 PM
Location: Starbucks, 1980 San Marco Blvd
Contact: None

Kansas City, KS
Time: Sunday, September 22, 12:30 PM
Location: Panera Bread, 10606 Shawnee Mission Pkwy, Shawnee, KS
Contact: alex.hedtke[at]gmail; Facebook event

Kiev, Ukraine
Additional search terms: Kyiv
Time: Saturday, September 14, 4:00 PM
Location: On the steps to the National Museum of Nature (Underground station “Teatral’na”)
Contact: Marichka, (+38)0976672970
Details: We shall move from there, so better don’t be late.

Kitchener-Waterloo, ON
Time: Sunday, September 29, 2:00 PM
Location: Field of Waterloo CI
Contact: blxxia[at]gmail
Details: I’ll wear red converse and bring some frisbees for those that are athletically (or simply disc-) inclined. We’ll walk the half a block to my apartment at around 3:30ish and have the rest of the meetup there with tea and snacks, if space allows.

Lexington, KY
Additional search terms: Louisville, Cincinnati, Frankfort, Covington, Shelbyville
Time: Sunday, September 22, 7:00 PM
Location: West Sixth Brewery, 501 West Sixth Street, Suite 100
Contact: hellernathanssc[at]gmail
Details: Please email if you’re interested.

Lisbon, Portugal
Time: Sunday, October 6, 4:30 PM
Location: Oriente Station
Contact: ana_bcn[at]protonmail[dot]com; Meetup.com
Details: We meet in the Oriente station in front of the book fair. Then depending on the weather we can go to Parque das Nações or Vasco da Gama.

London, UK
Time: Sunday, September 15, 2:00 PM
Location: Craft Beer Co. Islington, 55 White Lion Street (we have a large room booked)
Contact: philip.hazelden[at]gmail; Facebook event; Facebook group

Los Angeles, CA
Time: Wednesday, October 9, 7:00 PM
Location: Colorado Center Park off 26th and Broadway
Contact: bobert.mushky[at]gmail; Discord server
Details: Also consider coming to the Orange County meetup to meet me [Scott] two days later

Madison, WI
Time: Saturday, September 21, 5:00 PM
Location: 1022 High St.
Contact: mmwang[at]wisc[dot]edu; Facebook event
Details: This is a house (newly painted blue with a red door), very close to the #4 and #47 bus stop. Also the #13 and #5 stop close by. If you need a ride, leave a message on the Facebook event and someone will get you. Some basic vegan food will be served. Bring food for yourself or to share if so inclined.

Madrid, Spain
Time: Saturday, September 21, 4:00 PM
Location: Ferros Café, Calle del Maestro Ángel Llorca, 9, 28003 Madrid
Contact: pavill01[at]ucm[dot]es; Meetup.com
Details: We speak both English and Spanish. About a week before I will post the event details in the Meetup group.

**Manchester, UK**
Time: Saturday, September 21, 2:00 PM
Location: The grass patch next to the Wharf Pub in city center M15 4ST, coordinates 53.473975, -2.256884
Contact: None

Medellín, Colombia
Time: Sunday, September 22, 11:00 AM
Location: Café Revolución, Carrera 73 | Cq. 4 #10, Laureles, Medellín, Colombia
Contact: richard.meadows[at]thedeepdish[dot]org

Melbourne, Australia
Time: Friday, October 4, 6:00 PM
Location: Queensberry Hotel, 593 Swanston St, Carlton VIC 3053
Contact: 0438 869 257; Facebook group

Memphis, TN
Time: Saturday, October 5, 5:00 PM
Location: French Truck Coffee at Crosstown Concourse
Contact: michael[at]postlibertarian[dot]com
Details: It’s in the main Central Atrium of Crosstown Concourse. There are many chairs and tables right in front so we should be able to grab a few. I’m totally ok if only a couple people show up!

Miami, FL
Time: Saturday, October 12, 5:00 PM
Location: Pasion del Cielo (Brickell City Centre location), 701 S Miami Ave #350B
Contact: eric135033[at]gmail; Facebook group

Minneapolis, MN
Additional search terms: St. Paul, Twin Cities
Time: Saturday, September 21, 3:00 PM
Location: The Knoll, 27 Pleasant St SE
Contact: grahamsnumberisbig[at]gmail; LessWrong
Details: This is a park on the north end of the University of Minnesota’s Minneapolis campus, not the apartment building of the same name. Although the forecast looks good right now, in the event of poor weather we may have to relocate – email me if you’re interested so I can get a rough headcount and send updates more easily. Also see the LessWrong post for an editable post that I’ll try to keep up to date if things change.

Montreal, Canada
Time: Sunday, September 22, 2:00 PM
Location: Loft 111A, 5455 rue d’Iberville
Contact: 1806992[at]gmail; Yohan 514-562-7682; Facebook event
Details: At the front door, dial 800. The meeting place will be at the collective l’Infini, which recently started hosting LW meetups twice a month. Can comfortably host 30 people. Cozy and quiet. Note that the space welcoming the meetup is a sober space, so no drug/alcohol consumption inside. All are welcome to bring/cook food.

Moscow, Russia
Time: Saturday, September 21, 6:00 PM
Location: Rationality Center Kocherga, 5k2, B.Dorogomilovskaya st., Kievskaya, Moscow, Russia
Contact: oknezrob[at]kocherga-club[dot]ru

Munich, Germany
Time: Thursday, September 19, 7:00 PM
Location: Augustiner-Keller, Arnulfstraße 52, 80335 München, Germany
Contact: rlm72[at]cam[dot]ac[dot]uk

Nashville, TN
Time: Tuesday, September 17, 5:00 PM
Location: Frothy Monkey, 12th Avenue South
Contact: james[at]writechem[dot]com
Details: We will be discussing Meditations On Moloch. Any new members who wish to attend, please reach out to the contact given.

New Delhi, India
Time: Saturday, September 14, 5:00 PM
Location: Brown Box Cafe, Shop No. 2, DDA Market, S Block, Panchsheel Park, New Delhi, Delhi 110017
Contact: anujdayal[at]gmail

New Haven, CT
Additional search terms: Yale
Time: Saturday, September 21, 4:00 PM
Location: If the weather is good: the courtyard outside of P&M Market (on the corner of Orange Street + Cottage Street); If it’s raining: Blue State Coffee on Orange Street.
Contact: rip.my.inbox[at]gmail

New York City, NY
Time: Saturday, September 21, 4:00 PM
Location: Pumphouse Park
Contact: tristan[at]thume[dot]ca; 646-480-0618
Details: If it’s raining or we’re otherwise not there go to the main atrium of Brookfield Place, which is adjacent to the park

Norman, OK
Time: Saturday, September 28, 2:00 PM
Location: University of Oklahoma, Bizzell Memorial Library, Room 421
Details: I’m not posting any contact info here, so here are my detailed contingency plans: if nobody shows up to the meetup within one hour, I will leave. If room 421 is for some reason unavailable we will meet in the reading area inside the front (south) doors, north of the front desk. I will fashion a small SSC sign out of a piece of paper or something.

Northampton, MA
Time: Saturday, September 21, 6:30 PM
Location: Packard’s Bar and Restaurant, main dining room
Contact: alex[at]alexliebowitz[dot]com; LessWrong

Oklahoma City, OK
Time: Saturday, September 21, 2:00 PM
Location: Del City Library
Contact: battleshipbean[at]gmail
Details: I’ll be wearing a USS Iowa shirt and hat.

Orange County, CA
Additional search terms: Irvine, Fullerton, Santa Ana, Anaheim, Huntington Beach
Time: Friday, October 11, 7:30 PM
Location: Underneath this mysterious hexagonal sigil at the University Center food court in Irvine, California.

Oslo, Norway
Time: Monday, September 23, 6:00 PM
Location: Starbucks at Aker Brygge, Stranden 7, 0250 Oslo, Norway
Contact: anders[at]huitfeldt[dot]net

Ottawa, Canada
Time: Friday, September 20, 7:00 PM
Location: The Fox & Feather, 283 Elgin St.
Contact: walsh.the[at]gmail; Facebook group
Details: We will book one of the private rooms.

Oxford, UK
Time: Thursday, September 19, 6:00 PM
Location: The Gardener’s Arms, 39 Plantation Road, Oxford, OX2 6JE
Contact: ???

Paris, France
Time: Sunday, September 15, 3:00 PM
Location: 48°51’37.9″N 2°17’11.8″E (https://goo.gl/maps/nBZzEk3uggA2)
Contact: 336.vingt-trois.dix-huit.82.99; Discord server
Details: I hope the weather is going to be nice. Last year it started to be a bit cold after some time, so take a sweatshirt just in case. If the forecast is bad, we’ll change the place to some coffee shop, maybe not in the same area, so check the page the day before.

Philadelphia, PA
Time: Sunday, September 22, 6:30 PM
Location: Tir Na Nog Bar & Grill, 1600 Arch Street
Contact: wfenza[at]gmail; dmcbriggs[at]gmail
Details: The restaurant is inside the Phoenix Hotel, directly above Suburban Station. We have the entire outer vestibule area reserved

Phoenix, AZ
Time: Saturday, September 21, 2:00 PM
Location: Lola Coffee Downtown, 1001 N 3rd Ave.
Contact: benjamin.j.morin[at]gmail
Details: Parking is typically available on weekends, this is also ~5 min walk from the light rail. Contact me if you are coming and I can give you a phone number to help with parking on the day of.

Pittsburgh, PA
Time: Saturday, October 19th, 6:00 PM
Location: 804 Anaheim St
Contact: ssc[at}fr8train[dot]me, mirandagavrin[at]gmail[dot]com

Portland, OR
Time: Tuesday, October 1, 7:00 PM
Location: Cartopia, 1207 SE Hawthorne Blvd
Contact: nwalton125[at]gmail; LessWrong
Details: Cartiopia is a food cart pod with many options — outside, but covered from rain. I’ll get there at 7 PM (or a little earlier), try to stake out table space, and put up a sign for the meetup. The carts are open as late as midnight.

Prague, Czechia
Time: Wednesday, September 25, 6:30 PM
Location: Rationalist coworking space Epistea (walk through tea room dharmasala to get there), Peckova 15, Karlínské náměstí
Contact: nadvornik.jiri[at]gmail; +420 607 690 860; Facebook event
Details: Food will be provided. English friendly.

Pune, India
Time: Sunday, September 22, 6:00 PM
Location: Cafe Coffee Day, IISER Pune Campus, Baner
Contact: 7rat13[at]gmail

Reno, NV
Time: Saturday, September 28, 2:00 PM
Location: Reno Coffee Co, 1300 S Wells
Contact: supervexi[at]gmail
Details: Not sure how much of an SSC following we have here, so please be sure to indicate your interest by emailing me

Research Triangle, NC
Additional search terms: Raleigh, Durham, Chapel Hill
Time: Wednesday, September 18, 7:00 PM
Location: Ponysaurus Brewing Company, 219 Hood St, Durham, NC 27701
Contact: willdjarvis[at]gmail

Riga, Latvia
Time: Saturday, September 28, 1:00 PM
Location: Caffeine, Audēju iela 15
Contact: cerulean.lemniscate[at]protonmail[dot]com

**Rio de Janeiro, Brazil**
Time: Saturday, September 21, 2:00 PM
Location: Starbucks, Av. Rio Branco, 143 – A – Centro, Rio de Janeiro – RJ, 20040-006, Brazil
Contact: None
Details: Meet in the upstairs seating area

**Rochester, NY**
Time: Saturday, September 21, 2:00 PM
Location: SPoT Coffee, 200 East Avenue
Contact: None

**San Antonio, TX**
Time: Saturday, September 21, 2:00 PM
Location: Local Coffee, 7338 Louis Pasteur Dr #204
Contact: None

**Singapore**
Time: Saturday, September 21, 2:00 PM
Location: Starbucks outside Clarke Quay Station, 6 Eu Tong Sen St, #01-29 The Central, Singapore 059817
Contact: None

St. Louis, MO
Additional search terms: Saint Louis
Time: Saturday, September 21, 3:00 PM
Location: Hartford Coffee, 3974 Hartford St
Contact: littlejohnburidan[at]gmail
Details: I have a place to stay if you visit from out of town and need a bed.

Sacramento, CA
Time: Sunday, September 22, 11:00 AM
Location: Crepeville, 1730 L St.
Contact: amethyst.eggplant[at]gmail

Salt Lake City, UT
Time: Saturday, October 5, 3:00 PM
Location: 41 S 900 E #204
Contact: wearenotsaved[at]gmail

San Diego, CA
Time: Sunday, September 29, 3:00 PM
Location: La Jolla Colony Park
Contact: owenshen24[at]gmail; Facebook group
Details: Also consider coming to meet me [Scott] at the Orange County meetup October 11th

San Francisco, CA
Time: Monday, September 23, 6:30 PM
Location: 170 Hawthorne St.
Contact: rocurley[at]gmail; LessWrong
Details: For help getting into the building, please call (or text, with a likely-somewhat-slower response rate): 301-458-0764. We’ll be meeting to give and listen to very short talks! We’ll do 7-minute lightning talks with 3 additional minutes allowed for questions. A talk doesn’t have to be formal, planned, or even something that you’d expect someone to Give A Talk About; it can be as simple as telling the group about something you find interesting or cool.

San Jose, CA
Additional search terms: South Bay
Time: Saturday, September 28, 2:00 PM
Location: 3806 Williams Rd.
Contact: ; Website

**San José, Costa Rica**
Time: Saturday, September 21, 2:00 PM
Location: Starbucks, Costado Oeste del Estadio Nacional, en edificio Clínica 20 20 San José Sabana Oeste, Nunciatura, San José, Costa Rica
Contact: None

São José dos Campos, Brazil
Time: Sunday, September 15, 2:00 PM
Location: Parque Santos Dumont, next to the 14-Bis airplane replica
Contact: emiliobumachar[at]gmail
Details: I will meet even one person in good faith, but will not go if no one contacts me.

Seattle, WA
Time: Wednesday, October 2, 6:30 PM
Location: The Territory (house), 5238 11th Ave NE
Contact: orborde[at]gmail; Facebook event

Seoul, South Korea
Time: Saturday, September 28, 12:30 PM
Location: O’sulloc Green Tea near Gangnam Subway Station
Contact: curtis95112[at]gmail
Details: I would also appreciate it if people who can’t/won’t make the meetup contacted me too, possibly anonymously, because it would be fascinating if nobody replied and I were literally the only SSC reader in a city of 20 million.

Stockholm, Sweden
Time: Saturday, September 14, 3:00 PM
Location: Grillska Huset, Stortorget 3, Stockholm
Contact: Meetup.com

Sydney, Australia
Time: Thursday, September 19, 6:00 PM
Location: Level 2, City of Sydney RSL, 565 George St
Contact: Meetup.com
Details: We sit at a table in the fish bowl across the room from the lifts.

Tampa, FL
Time: Saturday, September 21, 5:00 PM
Location: Felicitous Coffee, 11706 N 51st St, Temple Terrace
Contact: danielbporter[at]gmail

Tel Aviv, Israel
Time: Tuesday, September 24, 7:00 PM
Location: Google Israel office, Electra Tower, 12th floor, Yigal Alon 98
Contact: highpriestessofelua[at]gmail; Facebook event

Toronto, Canada
Time: Monday, September 23, 7:00 PM
Location: Madison Avenue Pub
Contact: team[at]thinkbetter[dot]ca; Facebook event

Toulouse, France
Time: Monday, October 7, 7:00 PM
Location: Eurêkafé, 24 Rue Léon Gambetta
Contact: me[at]jrmyp[dot]net

Vancouver, Canada
Time: Sunday, September 29, 1:00 PM
Location: Picnic area at Trout Lake Park, near the south beach

Victoria, BC, Canada
Time: Saturday, September 21, 2:00 PM
Location: Starbucks, 1301 Government St, Victoria, BC V8W 1Y9, Canada (downtown, at Yates and Government)
Contact: graeme.andrew.hill[at]gmail
Details: I’ll be the lanky white dude with a buzzcut wearing all blue.

Vienna, Austria
Time: Saturday, October 19, 3:00 PM
Location: Kaisermühlenstraße 24, A-1220 Vienna
Contact: strivingforconsistency[at]gmail; Facebook group
Details: We’ll be in the meetup room on the ground floor at the back side of the building. Event and directons to the location will be announced on the Facebook group.

**Warsaw, Poland**
Time: Saturday, September 21, 12:00 PM
Location: Starbucks, plac Trzech Krzyży 16A, 00-499 Warszawa, Poland
Contact: None

Washington DC
Time: Tuesday, September 24, 5:00 PM
Location: Teaism coffee shop, 400 8th Street NW, Washington DC
Contact: robirahman94[at]gmail; Google group

Wellington, New Zealand
Time: Saturday, September 28, 3:00 PM
Location: Glover Park
Contact: benwve[at]gmail

West Lafayette, IN
Additional search terms: Purdue
Time: Sunday, October 6, 6:00 PM
Location: Cafe Literato, 1920 Northwestern Ave.
Contact: lancesbush[at]gmail; Facebook group; Facebook account

Zurich, Switzerland
Time: Saturday, October 5, 3:00 PM
Location: The Sacred/Vegelateria at Müllerstrasse 64.
Contact: ssczurich[at]gmx[dot]ch; Facebook group

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Lots Of People Going Around With Mild Hallucinations All The Time

[Related to: Relaxed Beliefs Under Psychedelics And The Anarchic Brain, HPPD And The Specter Of Permanent Side Effects]

I.

Hallucinogen persisting perceptual disorder is a condition where people who take psychedelics continue hallucinating indefinitely. Estimates of prevalence range from about 4% of users (Baggott) to “nobody, the condition does not exist” (Krebs and Johansen). To explore this discrepancy, I asked about it on the 2019 SSC survey. The specific question was:

Hallucinogen Persisting Perceptual Disorder is a condition marked by visual or other perceptual disturbances typical of psychedelic use that continue for weeks and months after coming off the psychedelic, in some cases permanently. Have you ever had this condition?

2,234 readers admitted to having used psychedelics. Of those, 285 (= 12.8%) stated that they had some hallucinations that persisted afterwards. 219 (9.8%) said they’d had them for a while and then they had gone away. 66 (= 3%) stated that they still had the hallucinations (one limit of the study: I don’t know how long it has been since those people took the psychedelics).

But most of these people reported very mild experiences; on a scale from 1-10, the median severity was 2. The most commonly reported changes were more “visual snow” (ie “static” in the visual field), slight haloes around objects, and visual trails. Many people reported that if they stared at a textured area like a carpet long enough, illusory geometric patterns would start to form. Only a few people noticed anything weirder than this. Here are some sample responses:

— It took the form of visual disturbances (patterns, moving patterns, mild hallucinations like seeing a flower growing on a person’s face or seeing the legs of a chair walk). Initially there would be daily incidents. They seemed to be triggered by fatigue or other stress, and I did not like them, which lead to more stress. Exercise helped reduce the stress and make the visual effects go away. The severity and frequency dropped quickly at first and then more slowly over the years, essentially gone after a decade. I have had migraines with ‘fortification figures’ as well; this was different from that.

— Perceptual distortions about once a week. Difficulty concentrating for about 6 months. Intense interest in drawing.

— Used LSD about twice a month for a period of time when I was 17, and had a very very slight build up of persisting visual distortions. This phase culminated in me taking ~425µg by accident one night, and having a somewhat negative experience, had an ego death sort of thing, experienced strong “time-warping” where my subjective experience of the passing of time slowed down and sped up repeatedly by a large degree. Very strong acid trip. After that night I experienced pretty noticeable breathing on certain textures, like ceiling tiles, and a sort of “bright aura effect” on others, like pebbles. This gradually receded over something like 1-2 years, at which point it was entirely gone.

— straight lines often bend! it’s distracting!

— If I stare at an object, it’ll appear to slightly sway or move in a circular motion. If I stare at a surface (especially a textured one like a carpet), faint light patterns will develop. I got HPPD the 3rd time I did LSD. I haven’t done anything to treat it, expecting it would go away on its own over time. However, it’s been like 4 years and hasn’t really changed much. I’ve gotten used to it and often forget I have HPPD. I told an optometrist about it one time and he was just like “yeah, happens to some people who do acid.”

— Quite concerned. Seen by PCP and opthamologist. Performed a literature review myself and tried clonidine without a large effect. Symptoms have seemed to resolve however.

— Persistent discolouration blue-ward or red-ward, depending on *subjective* head orientation, in a pattern of visual field roughly equivalent to the Tetragrammaton. Yes bloody really. Help.

— My colour perception was distorted and confusing for some time, perhaps 1-3 years with browns, greens and reds, especially in natural settings (2C* series) I also experienced intense flashbacks consisting of bodily tingling and diffuse feeling of heat for ~10 months after a different psychedelic session.

— I see tracers, halos, have increased anxiety, visual snow. Nothing has helped so far.

— Very mild but persistent visual distortions. Walls breathing, kaleidoscoping of repeating patterns, etc. Not severe enough to warrant treatment.

— Any highly detailed or repetitive surface “breathes” after looking at it for even a few seconds. get glowing patterns when looking at some art, a sort of cycle of different colors being highlighted in sequence. makes eyes open meditation easier; makes “where’s waldo” harder.

— Visual snow; when viewing images which contain several different possible interpretations of patterns (eg hex grid on bathroom tile, carpet weaving pattern) my perception of the most salient pattern stutters and vacillates between the top 3-5 possible interpretations.

— I hesitated whether to even answer ‘yes’. 15-25 years ago, a period when I occasionally used psychedelics, I would sometimes have mild visual trails or aberrations when I wasn’t on any psychedelics. It never really bothered me. I can still sometimes make stationary patterns swirl or move by staring at them, but I think that’s just normal visual perception, not HPPD. Right?

A Reddit user helpfully illustrated what his (particularly severe) HPPD looked like (note especially the subtle square grid in left picture):

Weird, but not unbearably so. I think this explains the wide variety of prevalence estimates. Many people who take psychedelics will have very minor permanent changes to their vision. Most of them will shrug and get on with their lives. Only the few people whose changes are especially bad, or who get especially neurotic about it, will ever talk to a doctor.

I discussed some of this recently at a colloquium of experienced psychonauts (realistically: a group house full of the kind of programmers who go to Burning Man). Of the ten or so people there, two admitted to HPPD which sounded about as bad as the image above. They’d never really mentioned it before, it hadn’t come up, and they were living normal lives.

I conclude that lots of people you encounter are having mild hallucinations all the time, and it just never comes up.

II.

I want to talk more about Krebs & Johansen, the paper that claims to find HPPD doesn’t exist.

First, it talks about surveys of special populations, like Native Americans using peyote. None of them report HPPD. Plausibly peyote does not cause HPPD (most of the people on my survey blame LSD) or something about the cultural set and setting prevents Native Americans from getting it during ceremonies. I see thedrugclassroom.com suspects this too.

Second, it talks about K&J’s own study, based in the National Survey of Drug Use and Health. Among 130,152 participants, those who have used psychedelics are no more likely to report symptoms than those who have not. But this survey violates one of the cardinal sins of psychiatric questioning – be careful in how you ask questions about psychosis-like symptoms! (see here for more people getting this wrong). K&J base their finding entirely on how people answer the question “Saw vision others could not?” (they don’t give the presumably longer question for which this is an abbreviation). But it is asked after several other questions clearly probing psychotic symptoms, like “felt force taking over your mind?”, “felt force inserting thoughts?”, and “heard voices?” Participants probably assumed (I think correctly; K&J did not write the survey) that the question was asking about more dramatic visions, like visions from God about their destiny or something. The average person whose visual field was 5% more staticky than normal wasn’t going to answer.

Third, it talks about HPPD-like visual hallucinations in people who have never taken psychedelic drugs. It says many people have them. I believe this. At the colloquium I mentioned, someone talked about having some similar staticky symptoms before taking any psychedelics. On my own survey, a few people said things like “I could always make the carpet self-organize into geometric patterns if I tried really hard, but after I took LSD it started happening much more”. I don’t know of any surveys on how prevalent this is, but since nobody has any trouble finding examples, I imagine it’s pretty common. My only argument that this doesn’t disprove HPPD is how many people – including my survey respondents – describe these oddities starting (or getting much worse) right after they use psychedelics. But we have no idea how many totally drug-naive people are just going around with weird visual experiences just because that’s the kind of person they are.

III.

I want to talk about a case study of this last kind of person (as usual, this is a composite with some details changed to protect privacy). Patient of mine for a totally unrelated reason – she had mild depression after a death in the family, wanted to talk it over. Gradually it started coming out that she had an entire spiritual system based on what part of a grid she thought people fell on. It took me a long time to figure out the grid was literal. It was a shape she could see in her vision, all the time, close to a Cartesian plane but with a couple of extra lines and curves on it. It looked similar in spirit to the grid pattern tiled across the sample image above, though not exactly the same.

In terms of her personality – she was very into William Blake, Meister Eckhart, and ecstatic poetry. She dabbled in Wicca and occultism. She had strong opinions on chakras. Her hair was dyed an even brighter shade of purple than the Bay Area median. I was mildly concerned she was going to either join or start a cult, but she never went further than sharing some of her manifestoes about the nature of time-space with her lucky psychiatrist.

This woman had never used psychedelics. But her description of her visual grid matched some HPPD phenomena pretty well.

I still dream of linking individual differences in perception with differences in cognition. So I wonder: psychedelics make you more likely to believe woo, and more likely to have certain classes of visual hallucinations. But some people believe woo without taking psychedelics, and some people have those same visual hallucinations without taking psychedelics. Are they the same people? Do psychedelics move you along a natural axis of variation, maybe from unusually strong priors to unusually relaxed priors? Was my patient the sort of person that the rest of us would become if we took massive doses of LSD every day for years? Did that explain both her perceptual and her cognitive uniqueness?

Start thinking along these lines, and some other become pretty suggestive. How come some New Agey people say they can see auras around people? Are they just lying? Seems like a weird thing to lie about. And a lot of these people don’t sound like they’re lying. Aren’t auras a classic LSD hallucination? I understand they’re not quite as simple as the haloes around lights that HPPD people get; they’re only around people and sometimes the colors seem meaningful. But add something about handwave handwave using a special kind of visual processing for other people handwave synaesthesia, and maybe it’s not totally outside the realm of possibility? Maybe if your priors are so relaxed – ie so far towards the “naturally on LSD all the time” side of the scale – that you believe in auras, then your priors might also be so relaxed that you can see them.

We really don’t know what other people’s perceptions are like. At least, not until I ask a bunch of questions about this on the next SSC survey.

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