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		<title>By: Zeno of Citium</title>
		<link>http://slatestarcodex.com/2015/06/08/links-615-everything-but-the-kitchen-link/#comment-212769</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zeno of Citium]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2015 13:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just looked this up and I am &lt;i&gt;so&lt;/i&gt; disappointed to find out this isn&#039;t true, at least according to the ASA website and Google street view.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just looked this up and I am <i>so</i> disappointed to find out this isn&#8217;t true, at least according to the ASA website and Google street view.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2015 19:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Or if he actually doesn&#039;t want kids, it could be easier to just have sex with men than to worry about birth control, surgery, and finding a wife who also doesn&#039;t want kids.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or if he actually doesn&#8217;t want kids, it could be easier to just have sex with men than to worry about birth control, surgery, and finding a wife who also doesn&#8217;t want kids.</p>
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		<title>By: DB</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2015 06:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Elites try to change things in their favor while in the minority, yes, but the American political system is still functioning well enough despite its age that they&#039;ve frequently been stopped.  Immigration policy provides the most prominent recent examples of this, with Dave Brat&#039;s historic primary upset and the thwarting of the Obama administration&#039;s attempt at unaccountable executive action.  (Hillary may end up being elected and then proceed to do roughly the same thing as Obama attempted, but voters have fair warning in her case.)

As for Prop 209, experience is a substitute for foresight.  Many University of California campuses are close to half-Asian today.  Many non-Asian taxpayers aren&#039;t entirely comfortable with this state of affairs, and have more nuanced opinions on affirmative action today than they did in 1996.  The two major political causes Ron Unz has advocated for over the last few years have been a higher minimum wage and a reduction of Ivy League anti-Asian discrimination; the former has caught fire, but the latter has met a more ambivalent response.  I really don&#039;t think that an elite is suppressing the masses there today, though I&#039;ll grant that that may have been the case earlier.

I&#039;ll also grant that gay marriage may qualify as a modern-day example of successful suppression of the masses, but I suspect that it&#039;s starting to succeed mostly because it isn&#039;t very consequential.  &quot;If it matters that much to you, FINE.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elites try to change things in their favor while in the minority, yes, but the American political system is still functioning well enough despite its age that they&#8217;ve frequently been stopped.  Immigration policy provides the most prominent recent examples of this, with Dave Brat&#8217;s historic primary upset and the thwarting of the Obama administration&#8217;s attempt at unaccountable executive action.  (Hillary may end up being elected and then proceed to do roughly the same thing as Obama attempted, but voters have fair warning in her case.)</p>
<p>As for Prop 209, experience is a substitute for foresight.  Many University of California campuses are close to half-Asian today.  Many non-Asian taxpayers aren&#8217;t entirely comfortable with this state of affairs, and have more nuanced opinions on affirmative action today than they did in 1996.  The two major political causes Ron Unz has advocated for over the last few years have been a higher minimum wage and a reduction of Ivy League anti-Asian discrimination; the former has caught fire, but the latter has met a more ambivalent response.  I really don&#8217;t think that an elite is suppressing the masses there today, though I&#8217;ll grant that that may have been the case earlier.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll also grant that gay marriage may qualify as a modern-day example of successful suppression of the masses, but I suspect that it&#8217;s starting to succeed mostly because it isn&#8217;t very consequential.  &#8220;If it matters that much to you, FINE.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: multiheaded</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2015 03:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ain&#039;t nothing wrong with a body pillow. Why make it an explicit one when you can have it more cuddly, though?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ain&#8217;t nothing wrong with a body pillow. Why make it an explicit one when you can have it more cuddly, though?</p>
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		<title>By: Eli</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2015 19:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt; Or as Ozy puts it, we’re apparently so unhappy with the status quo that we’ve summoned Cthulu and are hoping for the best.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Someone called for me?  Because actually, as the representative of Cthulhu Leftswimmer on this comments page, I actually think that Yarvin shouldn&#039;t have been disinvited from Strange Loop.  Sorry, but blah blah complexity of values blah blah means that you don&#039;t try to destroy someone&#039;s professional and technical life just because you don&#039;t like their politics.  The trade-offs between these radically different domains of life need to involve direct violence before it&#039;s acceptable to stomp Yarvin&#039;s work life in favor of everyone else&#039;s political decency (decent though it is, and wrong though Yarvin is).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> Or as Ozy puts it, we’re apparently so unhappy with the status quo that we’ve summoned Cthulu and are hoping for the best.</p></blockquote>
<p>Someone called for me?  Because actually, as the representative of Cthulhu Leftswimmer on this comments page, I actually think that Yarvin shouldn&#8217;t have been disinvited from Strange Loop.  Sorry, but blah blah complexity of values blah blah means that you don&#8217;t try to destroy someone&#8217;s professional and technical life just because you don&#8217;t like their politics.  The trade-offs between these radically different domains of life need to involve direct violence before it&#8217;s acceptable to stomp Yarvin&#8217;s work life in favor of everyone else&#8217;s political decency (decent though it is, and wrong though Yarvin is).</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2015 18:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Prop 209 was not about affirmative action having &quot;gone farther&quot; than the public wanted. It was not about nuance. It demanded the complete end of all use of race by CA.

Most social issues are decided by elites, in opposition to the masses. I believe that gay marriage has passed only a single referendum (Maine).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prop 209 was not about affirmative action having &#8220;gone farther&#8221; than the public wanted. It was not about nuance. It demanded the complete end of all use of race by CA.</p>
<p>Most social issues are decided by elites, in opposition to the masses. I believe that gay marriage has passed only a single referendum (Maine).</p>
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		<title>By: DB</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2015 17:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I explicitly stated that the sophistication of the positions held by voters varies greatly.  I also don&#039;t claim that every specific preference in place is wanted by voters; as you note, Proposition 209 is an excellent example where government institutions had gone further than the populace wanted.  I&#039;m fine with other states having referenda of that sort; when you see other situations where the voters are actually on your side, by all means take advantage of the opportunity.

But your assertion that Mencken can be totally ignored is not just wrong, but dangerous; that&#039;s often used as a pretext for completely screwing over an unliked majority.  There is a range of policies that the public is willing to support, and I don&#039;t think a return to a pre-1965-Northern-state scenario is in that range.  (I will grant that your Proposition 209 example has made me reconsider the possibility that the popular support actually does exist and elites are preventing the public from getting what it wants, though.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I explicitly stated that the sophistication of the positions held by voters varies greatly.  I also don&#8217;t claim that every specific preference in place is wanted by voters; as you note, Proposition 209 is an excellent example where government institutions had gone further than the populace wanted.  I&#8217;m fine with other states having referenda of that sort; when you see other situations where the voters are actually on your side, by all means take advantage of the opportunity.</p>
<p>But your assertion that Mencken can be totally ignored is not just wrong, but dangerous; that&#8217;s often used as a pretext for completely screwing over an unliked majority.  There is a range of policies that the public is willing to support, and I don&#8217;t think a return to a pre-1965-Northern-state scenario is in that range.  (I will grant that your Proposition 209 example has made me reconsider the possibility that the popular support actually does exist and elites are preventing the public from getting what it wants, though.)</p>
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		<title>By: Doctor Mist</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doctor Mist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2015 16:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@NN- Good point. As I said, despite the horror of AIDS I&#039;m not inclined to think of it as a direct drawback of whatever causes obligate homosexuality. And I really am therefore still interested in whether there is a good analogy for a really significant but otherwise neutral moderately rare developmental variation (still assuming Daniel&#039;s model is close to true).

To come at it from another angle, suppose we eventually get a really clear picture of how gender and attraction each happen, and pin down what causes them to be linked in the uncommon way. Would that change our view of homosexuality? What if we discovered at the same time that the cause was directly connected with something else, like an increased chance of depression, or a &lt;i&gt;decreased&lt;/i&gt; chance of schizophrenia?

I honestly don&#039;t know but it seems intriguing. Certainly if we found such associations to exist with regard to presence or absence of a Y chromosome, we would just shrug and say &quot;That&#039;s how it is,&quot; rather than deciding that presence or absence of a Y chromosome was itself a genetic defect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@NN- Good point. As I said, despite the horror of AIDS I&#8217;m not inclined to think of it as a direct drawback of whatever causes obligate homosexuality. And I really am therefore still interested in whether there is a good analogy for a really significant but otherwise neutral moderately rare developmental variation (still assuming Daniel&#8217;s model is close to true).</p>
<p>To come at it from another angle, suppose we eventually get a really clear picture of how gender and attraction each happen, and pin down what causes them to be linked in the uncommon way. Would that change our view of homosexuality? What if we discovered at the same time that the cause was directly connected with something else, like an increased chance of depression, or a <i>decreased</i> chance of schizophrenia?</p>
<p>I honestly don&#8217;t know but it seems intriguing. Certainly if we found such associations to exist with regard to presence or absence of a Y chromosome, we would just shrug and say &#8220;That&#8217;s how it is,&#8221; rather than deciding that presence or absence of a Y chromosome was itself a genetic defect.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2015 15:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That supposes that the communists were actually planning to attend the conference.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That supposes that the communists were actually planning to attend the conference.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2015 15:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DB, Mencken&#039;s formula is factually wrong. Americans do not know what they want. Whether they support &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gallup.com/poll/163655/reject-considering-race-college-admissions.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;affirmative action&lt;/a&gt; depends on how you phrase the question. In particular, &lt;b&gt;your&lt;/b&gt; claim that they have nuanced &lt;em&gt;reasons&lt;/em&gt; for their non-beliefs is absurd.

In California, the residents did vote on a ballot initiative to end affirmative action in college admissions. Do you support direct democracy, or do you support the college administrators who defy the law? Do you support other states having referenda?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DB, Mencken&#8217;s formula is factually wrong. Americans do not know what they want. Whether they support <a href="http://www.gallup.com/poll/163655/reject-considering-race-college-admissions.aspx" rel="nofollow">affirmative action</a> depends on how you phrase the question. In particular, <b>your</b> claim that they have nuanced <em>reasons</em> for their non-beliefs is absurd.</p>
<p>In California, the residents did vote on a ballot initiative to end affirmative action in college admissions. Do you support direct democracy, or do you support the college administrators who defy the law? Do you support other states having referenda?</p>
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