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		<title>By: Cauê</title>
		<link>http://slatestarcodex.com/2015/02/28/early-intervention-you-might-get-what-you-pay-for/#comment-189161</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2015 16:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This would cause a lower rate of violence in those relationships that do occur, because people would decline abusive relationships more often than non-abusive relationships, and a smaller proportion of existing relationships would be abusive. But the rate of violence didn&#039;t change.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This would cause a lower rate of violence in those relationships that do occur, because people would decline abusive relationships more often than non-abusive relationships, and a smaller proportion of existing relationships would be abusive. But the rate of violence didn&#8217;t change.</p>
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		<title>By: cassiopeia</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2015 08:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(I&#039;m making this comment in response to the chain beginning from this post. There doesn&#039;t seem to be a good place for it lower in the chain so I&#039;m posting it here.)

Assuming the intervention increased self esteem and correspondingly decreased tolerance for abusive relationships, but failed to improve the subjects&#039; status enough to make better dating options available for them, this is exactly what we would see. And indeed, the intervention did not improve some of the most important outcomes that determine dating market value, such as education or employment.

I believe people with healthy self esteem would agree that no relationship is better than an abusive relationship. If the relationships available to these people come with a high risk of abusiveness, then the rational choice and best outcome is fewer relationships.]]></description>
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<p>Assuming the intervention increased self esteem and correspondingly decreased tolerance for abusive relationships, but failed to improve the subjects&#8217; status enough to make better dating options available for them, this is exactly what we would see. And indeed, the intervention did not improve some of the most important outcomes that determine dating market value, such as education or employment.</p>
<p>I believe people with healthy self esteem would agree that no relationship is better than an abusive relationship. If the relationships available to these people come with a high risk of abusiveness, then the rational choice and best outcome is fewer relationships.</p>
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		<title>By: Agronomous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2015 03:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi, refugee from every other comments section on the Internet here.

The back-and-forth on this discussion branch has some interesting and important points, but they&#039;re getting buried underneath the tone.

You both know better, less irrationality-provoking ways to say what you mean.  I&#039;d appreciate it if you&#039;d use them, and I doubt I&#039;m alone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, refugee from every other comments section on the Internet here.</p>
<p>The back-and-forth on this discussion branch has some interesting and important points, but they&#8217;re getting buried underneath the tone.</p>
<p>You both know better, less irrationality-provoking ways to say what you mean.  I&#8217;d appreciate it if you&#8217;d use them, and I doubt I&#8217;m alone.</p>
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		<title>By: A week of links &#124; EVOLVING ECONOMICS</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A week of links &#124; EVOLVING ECONOMICS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2015 08:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] An education intervention that might have worked. [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] An education intervention that might have worked. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Knight</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, it is the very commonness of cars that makes America not use the metaphor. We have all seen car wrecks. We need a bigger metaphor, a train wreck. 

But the familiarity of cars leads to other metaphors, metaphors about seeing collisions and their aftermath. SS mentions &quot;like watching a car crash in slow motion.&quot; And when Americans talk about a &quot;car wreck&quot; they usually mean not the size of the disaster, but &quot;rubbernecking,&quot; a compulsion to keep looking at the aftermath.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it is the very commonness of cars that makes America not use the metaphor. We have all seen car wrecks. We need a bigger metaphor, a train wreck. </p>
<p>But the familiarity of cars leads to other metaphors, metaphors about seeing collisions and their aftermath. SS mentions &#8220;like watching a car crash in slow motion.&#8221; And when Americans talk about a &#8220;car wreck&#8221; they usually mean not the size of the disaster, but &#8220;rubbernecking,&#8221; a compulsion to keep looking at the aftermath.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerry Quinn</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think car-crash would be the first choice here and in the UK.  Why, I don&#039;t know.

Perhaps train crashes are uncommon enough (largely due to the countries being smaller) that they simply do not rise to the tongue when a metaphor is required.

I imagine a couple of hundred years ago, the corresponding metaphor would have been shipwreck.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think car-crash would be the first choice here and in the UK.  Why, I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>Perhaps train crashes are uncommon enough (largely due to the countries being smaller) that they simply do not rise to the tongue when a metaphor is required.</p>
<p>I imagine a couple of hundred years ago, the corresponding metaphor would have been shipwreck.</p>
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		<title>By: Harald K</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Harald K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2015 10:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;there is a simple economic explanation for why working conditions will improve in a growing economy even without any legislation.&quot;

Onyomi, you should definitively read &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.interfluidity.com/v2/5537.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Steve Randy Waldman&#039;s introduction to welfare economics&lt;/a&gt; (so should everyone who hasn&#039;t, it&#039;s really exceptional pedagogic writing). If a growing economy provides any guarantees at all, they&#039;re certainly not simple.

Also, yes, I think Meiji and Taisho Japan were pretty hellish. The sociologist and missionary Toyohiko Kagawa described baby farms of the outright murderous variety in the slums of Kobe at least as late as 1909.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;there is a simple economic explanation for why working conditions will improve in a growing economy even without any legislation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Onyomi, you should definitively read <a href="http://www.interfluidity.com/v2/5537.html" rel="nofollow">Steve Randy Waldman&#8217;s introduction to welfare economics</a> (so should everyone who hasn&#8217;t, it&#8217;s really exceptional pedagogic writing). If a growing economy provides any guarantees at all, they&#8217;re certainly not simple.</p>
<p>Also, yes, I think Meiji and Taisho Japan were pretty hellish. The sociologist and missionary Toyohiko Kagawa described baby farms of the outright murderous variety in the slums of Kobe at least as late as 1909.</p>
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		<title>By: RCF</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RCF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2015 02:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[According to Edward Scizorhands,

&quot;it’s “changes of being arrested five or more times dropped from 55% to 36%.”&quot;

If you have a Poisson distribution with a 55% chance to be greater than or equal to 5, then lambda is 4.9461. For a 36% chance, lambda is 3.942. That&#039;s a decrease of 20%.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to Edward Scizorhands,</p>
<p>&#8220;it’s “changes of being arrested five or more times dropped from 55% to 36%.”&#8221;</p>
<p>If you have a Poisson distribution with a 55% chance to be greater than or equal to 5, then lambda is 4.9461. For a 36% chance, lambda is 3.942. That&#8217;s a decrease of 20%.</p>
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		<title>By: RCF</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RCF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2015 23:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[According to Edward Scizorhands, the figures given are actually for chances &quot;of being arrested five or more times dropped from 55% to 36%.”

If this in fact correct, then assuming a Poisson distribution, lambda originally was 4.95, but decreased to 3.94. That is a decrease of 20.3%. (I previously calculated using the rounded numbers of 50% and 33%, which is where 18.5% came from.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to Edward Scizorhands, the figures given are actually for chances &#8220;of being arrested five or more times dropped from 55% to 36%.”</p>
<p>If this in fact correct, then assuming a Poisson distribution, lambda originally was 4.95, but decreased to 3.94. That is a decrease of 20.3%. (I previously calculated using the rounded numbers of 50% and 33%, which is where 18.5% came from.)</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2015 21:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They do. It&#039;s being tested in India. They inject some shit into your vas deferens which kills sperm with electricity as they pass through (apparently it doesn&#039;t take much electricity to kill sperm). Something like that anyway. Look up &quot;RISUG.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They do. It&#8217;s being tested in India. They inject some shit into your vas deferens which kills sperm with electricity as they pass through (apparently it doesn&#8217;t take much electricity to kill sperm). Something like that anyway. Look up &#8220;RISUG.&#8221;</p>
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