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		<title>By: Neike Taika-Tessaro</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neike Taika-Tessaro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2015 13:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Irrelevant:

That makes sense. :) Thanks for the explanation!]]></description>
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<p>That makes sense. <img src="http://slatestarcodex.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/simple-smile.png" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> Thanks for the explanation!</p>
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		<title>By: jaimeastorga2000</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2015 00:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Well I guess it also depends on how much one hates working.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
It&#039;s not just that work and commutes are terrible; it&#039;s also that jobs are really hard to get and keep. So you sacrifice all sorts of things to get one, like time and money and relationships and quality of life, and in the end you are always worried and anxious that you are going to lose it anyways. At least some of this is a direct result of technological advancement; in our hyper-efficient economy, the level of competence you need to avoid simply slowing down an employer&#039;s operation is absolutely brutal. See &lt;a href=&quot;http://lesswrong.com/lw/hh4/the_robots_ai_and_unemployment_antifaq/9fw8&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;gwern&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/09/how_to_be_mean_to_your_kids.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Last Psychiatrist&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;And of course there’s the possibility of many wives for many premodern monarchs and nobles, though one could also just be a Mormon.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Do you realize how many men today would kill for the prospect of having even one wife? As the king of a country you are virtually guaranteed a young, beautiful, and virginal wife, and as many mistresses, prostitutes, and flings as you want.

&lt;blockquote&gt;To some people, being the center of attention like this might seem better than TV, AC, cell phones, etc., but as soon as you got a toothache or a bacterial infection or needed surgery of any kind I’d bet you’d be longing for your 21st c. life.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Humans are social animals whose lives are about status. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/08/pick-one-sick-kids-or-look-poor.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Women in poor countries risk their children&#039;s lives rather than risk looking poor&lt;/a&gt;. I think you are seriously underestimating how appealing being the leader of a country would be for most men (and how appealing being married to the leader of a country would be for most women).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Well I guess it also depends on how much one hates working.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s not just that work and commutes are terrible; it&#8217;s also that jobs are really hard to get and keep. So you sacrifice all sorts of things to get one, like time and money and relationships and quality of life, and in the end you are always worried and anxious that you are going to lose it anyways. At least some of this is a direct result of technological advancement; in our hyper-efficient economy, the level of competence you need to avoid simply slowing down an employer&#8217;s operation is absolutely brutal. See <a href="http://lesswrong.com/lw/hh4/the_robots_ai_and_unemployment_antifaq/9fw8" rel="nofollow">gwern</a> and <a href="http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/09/how_to_be_mean_to_your_kids.html" rel="nofollow">The Last Psychiatrist</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>And of course there’s the possibility of many wives for many premodern monarchs and nobles, though one could also just be a Mormon.</p></blockquote>
<p>Do you realize how many men today would kill for the prospect of having even one wife? As the king of a country you are virtually guaranteed a young, beautiful, and virginal wife, and as many mistresses, prostitutes, and flings as you want.</p>
<blockquote><p>To some people, being the center of attention like this might seem better than TV, AC, cell phones, etc., but as soon as you got a toothache or a bacterial infection or needed surgery of any kind I’d bet you’d be longing for your 21st c. life.</p></blockquote>
<p>Humans are social animals whose lives are about status. <a href="http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/08/pick-one-sick-kids-or-look-poor.html" rel="nofollow">Women in poor countries risk their children&#8217;s lives rather than risk looking poor</a>. I think you are seriously underestimating how appealing being the leader of a country would be for most men (and how appealing being married to the leader of a country would be for most women).</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2015 17:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ken&#039;s a hard-left anarcho-techno-socialist (?) with a deep understanding of anarchist libertarian thought, but more importantly he&#039;s scientifically literate. Based on this alone I think the &#039;time travel gene&#039; bit wasn&#039;t meant to be taken seriously. My impression was that the protagonist was there just to resist, and thus show how state coercion might be applied in a future high-tech society. 

Either way, though, something about the van scene makes me think it was directly transposed from present-day events in a client dictatorship of the US or UK. Perhaps the point of the scene was to show the difference between how the state treats in-group dissenters (neo-anti-vaxxers, basically) and out-group terrorists (AQ/deep green anti-industry mashup, forget the name).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken&#8217;s a hard-left anarcho-techno-socialist (?) with a deep understanding of anarchist libertarian thought, but more importantly he&#8217;s scientifically literate. Based on this alone I think the &#8216;time travel gene&#8217; bit wasn&#8217;t meant to be taken seriously. My impression was that the protagonist was there just to resist, and thus show how state coercion might be applied in a future high-tech society. </p>
<p>Either way, though, something about the van scene makes me think it was directly transposed from present-day events in a client dictatorship of the US or UK. Perhaps the point of the scene was to show the difference between how the state treats in-group dissenters (neo-anti-vaxxers, basically) and out-group terrorists (AQ/deep green anti-industry mashup, forget the name).</p>
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		<title>By: ChristianKl</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2015 12:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hopefully in 2065 the idea of human driving cars will be a relict of darker times.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully in 2065 the idea of human driving cars will be a relict of darker times.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2015 22:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The doctors were tried at Nuremberg for euthanasia, not sterilization. Everyone saw that as very different, including the Nazis, who did the sterilization publicly and the euthanasia secretly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The doctors were tried at Nuremberg for euthanasia, not sterilization. Everyone saw that as very different, including the Nazis, who did the sterilization publicly and the euthanasia secretly.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2015 21:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, you are turning it backwards.  of course it was associated with the Nazis -- the Nazis openly admitted to copying our involuntary eugenic sterilizations programs, and the American advocates pointed to Germany&#039;s great scope as something we should emulate.  Shamefully, doctors involved were convicted at Nuremberg while we still were running those programs, even though the doctors quoted Buck vs. Bell.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, you are turning it backwards.  of course it was associated with the Nazis &#8212; the Nazis openly admitted to copying our involuntary eugenic sterilizations programs, and the American advocates pointed to Germany&#8217;s great scope as something we should emulate.  Shamefully, doctors involved were convicted at Nuremberg while we still were running those programs, even though the doctors quoted Buck vs. Bell.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2015 19:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, that&#039;s backwards. No one associated eugenics with the Nazis until about 1960. First it got a bad rap, and then people associated it with the Nazis because it all bad things are the same. (I&#039;m not sure if people used the Nazis to attack contemporary eugenics, or that only really became popular after eugenics wound down around 1970.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, that&#8217;s backwards. No one associated eugenics with the Nazis until about 1960. First it got a bad rap, and then people associated it with the Nazis because it all bad things are the same. (I&#8217;m not sure if people used the Nazis to attack contemporary eugenics, or that only really became popular after eugenics wound down around 1970.)</p>
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		<title>By: Corwin</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2015 19:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Good Burning Plastic</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2015 17:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;The one important zero-sum game is mate selection&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m not even sure that one is zero sum -- there are plenty of people who are single because none of their potential partners find them desirable enough, so maybe making everyone a more desirable mate would result in fewer people being single.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The one important zero-sum game is mate selection</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not even sure that one is zero sum &#8212; there are plenty of people who are single because none of their potential partners find them desirable enough, so maybe making everyone a more desirable mate would result in fewer people being single.</p>
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		<title>By: Nita</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2015 12:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It turned out that forcibly sterilizing people is not very nice either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leilani_Muir
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrie_Buck]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It turned out that forcibly sterilizing people is not very nice either.</p>
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<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrie_Buck" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrie_Buck</a></p>
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