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		<title>By: About Face (Validity) &#124; Gruntled &#38; Hinged</title>
		<link>http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/24/streetlight-psychology/#comment-152942</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[About Face (Validity) &#124; Gruntled &#38; Hinged]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Related: Streetlight Psychology [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Applications of Positive Psychology &#124; Create Resumes &#124; Find Jobs &#124; FastJobz.Com</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Applications of Positive Psychology &#124; Create Resumes &#124; Find Jobs &#124; FastJobz.Com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2014 23:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] psychology studies happiness and how that relates to love and gratitude. What faith offers, such as community, [&#8230;]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2014 21:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That is a great point, thank you. (and to raoul, whose comment i missed)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a great point, thank you. (and to raoul, whose comment i missed)</p>
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		<title>By: AJD</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2014 19:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;More to the point, what we think of as “stereotypically black-sounding” names are actually stereotypically lower-class-black-sounding names, so that introduces an obvious confounding factor. I wonder how you’d control for this.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, Bertrand &amp; Mullainathan (2004) use &lt;i&gt;level of education of mothers of children with a given first name&lt;/i&gt;, which they had direct data on, as a proxy for class status associated with a given first name. Unsurprisingly, the black first names in their study (Aisha, Latonya, Rasheed, Leroy, etc.) had uniformly lower levels of mother&#039;s-education than the white first names (Emily, Meredith, Brendan, Jay, etc.). However, &lt;i&gt;within&lt;/i&gt; each racial name group, higher levels of mother&#039;s education did not correlate with higher rates of job-interview callbacks. (In fact, in each case there was a weak &lt;i&gt;negative&lt;/i&gt; correlation—e.g., Aisha and Rasheed had the lowest callback rates but the highest mother&#039;s-education scores among the black names.)

There are various plausible interpretations of this—e.g., that employers do judge by class stereotype associated with a given name, but level of mother&#039;s education isn&#039;t a good proxy for that; or that employers are misinformed about relative class status associated with some names; or that employers&#039; are sensitive to differences in class status between &quot;higher&quot; and &quot;lower&quot; but not within the categories—but one of them is that class status isn&#039;t what employers are responding to and race is.

A study that actually paired black and white names of similar class status would be the best way to resolve this question, I agree.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>More to the point, what we think of as “stereotypically black-sounding” names are actually stereotypically lower-class-black-sounding names, so that introduces an obvious confounding factor. I wonder how you’d control for this.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, Bertrand &amp; Mullainathan (2004) use <i>level of education of mothers of children with a given first name</i>, which they had direct data on, as a proxy for class status associated with a given first name. Unsurprisingly, the black first names in their study (Aisha, Latonya, Rasheed, Leroy, etc.) had uniformly lower levels of mother&#8217;s-education than the white first names (Emily, Meredith, Brendan, Jay, etc.). However, <i>within</i> each racial name group, higher levels of mother&#8217;s education did not correlate with higher rates of job-interview callbacks. (In fact, in each case there was a weak <i>negative</i> correlation—e.g., Aisha and Rasheed had the lowest callback rates but the highest mother&#8217;s-education scores among the black names.)</p>
<p>There are various plausible interpretations of this—e.g., that employers do judge by class stereotype associated with a given name, but level of mother&#8217;s education isn&#8217;t a good proxy for that; or that employers are misinformed about relative class status associated with some names; or that employers&#8217; are sensitive to differences in class status between &#8220;higher&#8221; and &#8220;lower&#8221; but not within the categories—but one of them is that class status isn&#8217;t what employers are responding to and race is.</p>
<p>A study that actually paired black and white names of similar class status would be the best way to resolve this question, I agree.</p>
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		<title>By: Illuminati Initiate</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2014 19:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That doesn&#039;t sound like unconscious attitudes, it sounds like awareness of the unconscious attitudes of others, or at least what they think are the unconscious attitudes of others.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That doesn&#8217;t sound like unconscious attitudes, it sounds like awareness of the unconscious attitudes of others, or at least what they think are the unconscious attitudes of others.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2014 17:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s not just about multiple comparisons. Raoul points out a serious statistical error that huge numbers of people make. Gelman and Stern have a punchy version &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.stat.columbia.edu/~gelman/research/published/signif4.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Difference Between “Significant” and “Not Significant” is not Itself Statistically Significant&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not just about multiple comparisons. Raoul points out a serious statistical error that huge numbers of people make. Gelman and Stern have a punchy version <a href="http://www.stat.columbia.edu/~gelman/research/published/signif4.pdf" rel="nofollow">The Difference Between “Significant” and “Not Significant” is not Itself Statistically Significant</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Cauê</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2014 16:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s a bit hard to explain, and it almost always happened when waking up/before sleep. I&#039;d say that when my mind was required to act it would approach the task in a similar way as it approached tactics and strategy in the game. &quot;Using cards&quot; was the way to act upon the world, so &quot;which card&quot; was the response to the alarm clock.

Deckbuilding and strategy patterns of thought also mixed with real world elements in these moments, but I don&#039;t think I can explain how that felt, sorry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a bit hard to explain, and it almost always happened when waking up/before sleep. I&#8217;d say that when my mind was required to act it would approach the task in a similar way as it approached tactics and strategy in the game. &#8220;Using cards&#8221; was the way to act upon the world, so &#8220;which card&#8221; was the response to the alarm clock.</p>
<p>Deckbuilding and strategy patterns of thought also mixed with real world elements in these moments, but I don&#8217;t think I can explain how that felt, sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2014 15:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(same anon) 

I&#039;m now confused. Quoting directly from the abstract:

&gt;... inclusion of
Arab characters in a nonviolent game was sufficient to increase anti-Arab attitudes...

and

&gt;...Third, playing a terrorism
themed game even without Arab characters led to higher anti-Arab attitudes...

I don&#039;t have time to read beyond the abstract, but that&#039;s a direct contradiction to the portions of the passage you quoted. What&#039;s going on? How did this pass review?

EDIT: Oh, I get it. There are 3 experiments. You&#039;re quoting from passages which describe individual experiments, whereas I&#039;m quoting from the abstract, and if any one of three experiments found a positive result they put it in the abstract.

I guess how you feel about this study depends on how you think multiple comparisons should be reported. 

Just eyeballing the figures though, I think (assuming the non-displayed error bars are tiny, which might be a bad assumption) it does suggest that that people ARE primed towards &quot;Arabs are terrorists&quot; via contexts which are only about Arabs or only about Terrorists (rather than about both Arabs and Terrorists), which does indicate a long term problem rather than just a short term priming effect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(same anon) </p>
<p>I&#8217;m now confused. Quoting directly from the abstract:</p>
<p>&gt;&#8230; inclusion of<br />
Arab characters in a nonviolent game was sufficient to increase anti-Arab attitudes&#8230;</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>&gt;&#8230;Third, playing a terrorism<br />
themed game even without Arab characters led to higher anti-Arab attitudes&#8230;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have time to read beyond the abstract, but that&#8217;s a direct contradiction to the portions of the passage you quoted. What&#8217;s going on? How did this pass review?</p>
<p>EDIT: Oh, I get it. There are 3 experiments. You&#8217;re quoting from passages which describe individual experiments, whereas I&#8217;m quoting from the abstract, and if any one of three experiments found a positive result they put it in the abstract.</p>
<p>I guess how you feel about this study depends on how you think multiple comparisons should be reported. </p>
<p>Just eyeballing the figures though, I think (assuming the non-displayed error bars are tiny, which might be a bad assumption) it does suggest that that people ARE primed towards &#8220;Arabs are terrorists&#8221; via contexts which are only about Arabs or only about Terrorists (rather than about both Arabs and Terrorists), which does indicate a long term problem rather than just a short term priming effect.</p>
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		<title>By: MugaSofer</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2014 15:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m pretty sure that what you just described &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; unconscious attitudes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure that what you just described <i>are</i> unconscious attitudes.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2014 14:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Especially since the worst name was a white male one -- Geoff -- and the overlap between the black and the white names was substantial.  Some people looking at the lists concluded it was looking for normal names.

I also observe that someone, having found data that listed the zip codes of where the mothers were born in some birth data, went and did the heavy crunching to determine that actually the names didn&#039;t make any difference in reality.  (Cited in one of the &lt;I&gt;Freakonomics&lt;/I&gt; books.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Especially since the worst name was a white male one &#8212; Geoff &#8212; and the overlap between the black and the white names was substantial.  Some people looking at the lists concluded it was looking for normal names.</p>
<p>I also observe that someone, having found data that listed the zip codes of where the mothers were born in some birth data, went and did the heavy crunching to determine that actually the names didn&#8217;t make any difference in reality.  (Cited in one of the <i>Freakonomics</i> books.)</p>
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