Comments on: List Of The Passages I Highlighted In My Copy Of Jonathan Haidt’s “The Righteous Mind” http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/06/12/list-of-the-passages-i-highlighted-in-my-copy-of-jonathan-haidts-the-righteous-mind/ In a mad world, all blogging is psychiatry blogging Fri, 24 Jul 2015 06:54:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.3 By: Chicago Boyz » Blog Archive » Notes From All Over (22/06/14): Rise of the West, Island Disputes, & Too Much Stuff About China http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/06/12/list-of-the-passages-i-highlighted-in-my-copy-of-jonathan-haidts-the-righteous-mind/#comment-107280 Mon, 23 Jun 2014 02:25:33 +0000 http://slatestarcodex.com/?p=2214#comment-107280 […] with a full blown America 3.0 Institute. The Institute can be followed on twitter here.  List of Passages I highlighted in My Copy of Jonathan Haidt’s “The Righteous Mind” Scott Alexander, Slate Star Codex (12 June 2014). THE MIDDLE KINGDOM “ELI5: What […]

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]]> By: Ialdabaoth http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/06/12/list-of-the-passages-i-highlighted-in-my-copy-of-jonathan-haidts-the-righteous-mind/#comment-104008 Wed, 18 Jun 2014 14:26:49 +0000 http://slatestarcodex.com/?p=2214#comment-104008

How big a difference do you think there is between “things will be better once X happens” and “I want X to happen”?

A pretty damn big one.

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]]> By: Mary http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/06/12/list-of-the-passages-i-highlighted-in-my-copy-of-jonathan-haidts-the-righteous-mind/#comment-103978 Wed, 18 Jun 2014 13:14:52 +0000 http://slatestarcodex.com/?p=2214#comment-103978 Let’s apply Ockham’s Razor. You are hypothesizing massive lying on part of the conservatives and deep, profound insight on the part of liberals — and note, many of both.

For Haidt’s theory to be true, we need postulate only one mental thing, namely a deep desire on your part to avoid acknowledging the conservatives’ actual views.

Haidt’s wins, unless you have actual evidence of this lying and this insight.

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]]> By: Eli http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/06/12/list-of-the-passages-i-highlighted-in-my-copy-of-jonathan-haidts-the-righteous-mind/#comment-103903 Wed, 18 Jun 2014 09:55:14 +0000 http://slatestarcodex.com/?p=2214#comment-103903 Hey, Mai La Dreapta, guess what I don’t believe in?

That’s right, private property! Good job finding an issue I’m consistent on!

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]]> By: Tab Atkins http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/06/12/list-of-the-passages-i-highlighted-in-my-copy-of-jonathan-haidts-the-righteous-mind/#comment-103814 Wed, 18 Jun 2014 05:42:09 +0000 http://slatestarcodex.com/?p=2214#comment-103814 This makes a lot of sense to me. Simulating someone with less moral basises than you is just a matter of gimping your own morality. “If I pretend that unfairness doesn’t matter to me, what else about this situation would I consider good or bad?”

On the other hand, simulating someone with more moral basises seems incredibly difficult. Knowing that someone has a moral basis you don’t is one thing; knowing *how*, *when*, and *to what degree* that moral basis is applied is a matter mediated strongly by cultural cues that don’t make a ton of objective sense.

I can imagine someone having blue and orange morality (blue is good, orange is bad), but I have no idea how they’d react to various situations. Is it worth saving someone’s life if you have to use an orange scalpel to do it? Obviously, feeding a beggar blueberries is better than feeding them an orange, but is this equivalent to giving them decent leftovers, or rotten food? If someone ran the same “predict each other’s reactions” test on me and the person with my same morals but also the blue/orange thing, I’d do terribly, but I expect them to do fine. (“Okay, so the man was wearing a blue shirt, but if I ignore the color, is it still okay for them to kiss?”)

In shorter terms, someone having less moral basises than you is morally retarded, while someone having more moral basises than you is morally alien.

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]]> By: Lightning Round – 2014/06/18 | Free Northerner http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/06/12/list-of-the-passages-i-highlighted-in-my-copy-of-jonathan-haidts-the-righteous-mind/#comment-103800 Wed, 18 Jun 2014 05:04:58 +0000 http://slatestarcodex.com/?p=2214#comment-103800 […] passages on religion and trust from the Righteous […]

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]]> By: nydwracu http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/06/12/list-of-the-passages-i-highlighted-in-my-copy-of-jonathan-haidts-the-righteous-mind/#comment-103465 Tue, 17 Jun 2014 16:46:59 +0000 http://slatestarcodex.com/?p=2214#comment-103465 I did respond to your actual comment, but I’ll make the point again: by what standard is fundamentalism to blame for the aforementioned child abuse and progressivism not to blame for the aforementioned drug abuse?

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]]> By: Hainish http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/06/12/list-of-the-passages-i-highlighted-in-my-copy-of-jonathan-haidts-the-righteous-mind/#comment-103412 Tue, 17 Jun 2014 15:14:13 +0000 http://slatestarcodex.com/?p=2214#comment-103412 “Progressivism” as embodied by the practices of the small private college in the Northeastern U.S., and rampant drug use.

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]]> By: Multiheaded http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/06/12/list-of-the-passages-i-highlighted-in-my-copy-of-jonathan-haidts-the-righteous-mind/#comment-103392 Tue, 17 Jun 2014 14:37:57 +0000 http://slatestarcodex.com/?p=2214#comment-103392 I like the expression “intersubjectively real”, or “intersubjectively objective”, depending on which connotations you want to stress.

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]]> By: Mai La Dreapta http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/06/12/list-of-the-passages-i-highlighted-in-my-copy-of-jonathan-haidts-the-righteous-mind/#comment-103358 Tue, 17 Jun 2014 13:17:48 +0000 http://slatestarcodex.com/?p=2214#comment-103358 Sanctity and authority really, objectively mean things in precisely the same way that theft really, objectively means something. Ownership is not an objective property of the external world, being undiscoverable by any observation of the owned object in isolation, but is rather a social convention. Nonetheless, if you steal something, but the victim and the courts will agree that you really, objectively committed a crime by virtue of violating the social convention.

Likewise, even if sanctity and authority don’t correspond to objective properties of the physical world, they do correspond to properties of the social world, and are perfectly “real” as such.

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