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		<title>By: jaimeastorga2000</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2014 21:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops, &#8220;Anonymous&#8221; post on January 22, 2014 at 4:33 pm was by me.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2014 21:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Roman Davis:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I was under the impression that neoreaction was fundamentally a political movement.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s been a while, but perhaps &lt;a href=&quot;http://sunshinemaryandthedragon.wordpress.com/2014/01/18/the-response-to-reality/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; post from Sunshine Mary can help. It&#039;s called &quot;The Response to Reality&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Roman Davis:</p>
<blockquote><p>I was under the impression that neoreaction was fundamentally a political movement.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s been a while, but perhaps <a href="http://sunshinemaryandthedragon.wordpress.com/2014/01/18/the-response-to-reality/" rel="nofollow">this</a> post from Sunshine Mary can help. It&#8217;s called &#8220;The Response to Reality&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: The 2013 Anti-Progress Report &#124; Radish</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jan 2014 06:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Alexander returns with a lengthy &#8216;Anti-Reactionary FAQ&#8217; (and further thoughts), prompting a number of responses: Michael Anissimov, Nick Steves, Foseti and Slate Star Codex [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Alexander returns with a lengthy &#8216;Anti-Reactionary FAQ&#8217; (and further thoughts), prompting a number of responses: Michael Anissimov, Nick Steves, Foseti and Slate Star Codex [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Troy</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Dec 2013 22:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[3) Oh yes, also see the witch-hunts against politically incorrect academics documented by hbd* chick:

https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/tag/watsoning/
http://hbdchick.wordpress.com/tag/two-minutes-hate/

As an academic myself, I&#039;m extremely concerned by these. No, I don&#039;t think we live in the free speech equivalent of Soviet Russia. Things aren&#039;t that bad. But I would not (and probably could not) publish an article in my field expressing the views I express anonymously in discussions like this. And that&#039;s a problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3) Oh yes, also see the witch-hunts against politically incorrect academics documented by hbd* chick:</p>
<p><a href="https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/tag/watsoning/" rel="nofollow">https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/tag/watsoning/</a><br />
<a href="http://hbdchick.wordpress.com/tag/two-minutes-hate/" rel="nofollow">http://hbdchick.wordpress.com/tag/two-minutes-hate/</a></p>
<p>As an academic myself, I&#8217;m extremely concerned by these. No, I don&#8217;t think we live in the free speech equivalent of Soviet Russia. Things aren&#8217;t that bad. But I would not (and probably could not) publish an article in my field expressing the views I express anonymously in discussions like this. And that&#8217;s a problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Troy</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Dec 2013 22:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1) Again echoing others: 1100s rural Austria and contemporary educated progressivism are not the only two available value systems. I realize that some of the more radical reactionaries actually favor something like the former, but a more moderate version of their thesis is really much more plausible: as someone else already noted, the values of 1950s suburban America are quite plausibly better suited for poor people than contemporary progressivism. More narrowly, Catholicism and other forms of conservative Christianity would probably be quite good for them. More narrowly still, we could just strive to inculcate particular helpful norms, e.g., against out-of-wedlock childbirth. What if we put the same effort into discouraging out-of-wedlock childbirth among the lower class that we did into discouraging dropping out of high school among the lower class? This phenomenon is a largely lower class phenomenon and has serious consequences for them, as documented for example in this study: http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2012/09/marriage-americas-greatest-weapon-against-child-poverty

Inculcating these values doesn’t necessarily mean we need to “put a king in charge.” We could, for example, have family-friendly government economic policies, stop discriminating against religious employers and charities (see the contraception mandate in the ACA) thus reducing religion’s effectiveness in society, and (individually, as upper class people) move to lower-class neighborhoods and model stable families for them.

2) I don’t find the lead theory terribly persuasive. IIRC, Steve Sailer crunched the numbers for various counties and found little correlation between lead and crime when race was controlled for, or when only whites were present. Moreover, the proposed mechanism (lowering IQ) doesn’t explain the increase in black crime in the 1960s. As far as I know, black IQs have been increasing or at least not decreasing for the past century, so it doesn’t seem that lead could be causing greater black crime by lowering black IQs.

3) There&#039;s good data on liberal bias in academia in at least some areas that doesn&#039;t fit well with your narrative. See especially Jonathan Haidt&#039;s page on liberal bias on social psychology -- http://people.stern.nyu.edu/jhaidt/postpartisan.html -- and Lee Jussim&#039;s anecdotes -- http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/rabble-rouser/201310/liberal-bias-in-social-psychology-personal-experience-ii .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) Again echoing others: 1100s rural Austria and contemporary educated progressivism are not the only two available value systems. I realize that some of the more radical reactionaries actually favor something like the former, but a more moderate version of their thesis is really much more plausible: as someone else already noted, the values of 1950s suburban America are quite plausibly better suited for poor people than contemporary progressivism. More narrowly, Catholicism and other forms of conservative Christianity would probably be quite good for them. More narrowly still, we could just strive to inculcate particular helpful norms, e.g., against out-of-wedlock childbirth. What if we put the same effort into discouraging out-of-wedlock childbirth among the lower class that we did into discouraging dropping out of high school among the lower class? This phenomenon is a largely lower class phenomenon and has serious consequences for them, as documented for example in this study: <a href="http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2012/09/marriage-americas-greatest-weapon-against-child-poverty" rel="nofollow">http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2012/09/marriage-americas-greatest-weapon-against-child-poverty</a></p>
<p>Inculcating these values doesn’t necessarily mean we need to “put a king in charge.” We could, for example, have family-friendly government economic policies, stop discriminating against religious employers and charities (see the contraception mandate in the ACA) thus reducing religion’s effectiveness in society, and (individually, as upper class people) move to lower-class neighborhoods and model stable families for them.</p>
<p>2) I don’t find the lead theory terribly persuasive. IIRC, Steve Sailer crunched the numbers for various counties and found little correlation between lead and crime when race was controlled for, or when only whites were present. Moreover, the proposed mechanism (lowering IQ) doesn’t explain the increase in black crime in the 1960s. As far as I know, black IQs have been increasing or at least not decreasing for the past century, so it doesn’t seem that lead could be causing greater black crime by lowering black IQs.</p>
<p>3) There&#8217;s good data on liberal bias in academia in at least some areas that doesn&#8217;t fit well with your narrative. See especially Jonathan Haidt&#8217;s page on liberal bias on social psychology &#8212; <a href="http://people.stern.nyu.edu/jhaidt/postpartisan.html" rel="nofollow">http://people.stern.nyu.edu/jhaidt/postpartisan.html</a> &#8212; and Lee Jussim&#8217;s anecdotes &#8212; <a href="http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/rabble-rouser/201310/liberal-bias-in-social-psychology-personal-experience-ii" rel="nofollow">http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/rabble-rouser/201310/liberal-bias-in-social-psychology-personal-experience-ii</a> .</p>
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		<title>By: Reaction Ruckus &#124; Handle&#039;s Haus</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Dec 2013 12:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] 24-OCT-2013, Scott Alexander, &#8220;Some preliminary responses to responses to the Anti-Reactionary FAQ&#8220; [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] 24-OCT-2013, Scott Alexander, &#8220;Some preliminary responses to responses to the Anti-Reactionary FAQ&#8220; [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: jaimeastorga2000</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Dec 2013 02:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;most of the individual-level advice I’ve read seems to fall into Roissy’s “enjoy the decline” idea, with some other people suggesting that you look for a bride in a third world country&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Whoops, I got my bloggers mixed up. &quot;Enjoy the decline&quot; is &lt;a href=&quot;http://captaincapitalism.blogspot.com/2013/01/enjoy-decline-now-available.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Captain Capitalism&#039;s phrase&lt;/a&gt;, not Roissy&#039;s. &lt;a href=&quot;http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/07/23/a-traditionalist-manifesto/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Roissy&#039;s phrase&lt;/a&gt; is &quot;poolside, getting a tan.&quot; Then again, both express the same idea.

@Multiheaded: Believe me, I am NOT happy about living in the world Roissy describes. Realizing that God doesn&#039;t exist, that heaven is a lie, and that we  live in an uncaring universe? Weaksauce. Realizing that the PUA worldview was correct was easily the hardest truth I have ever had to face. &lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Litany_of_Gendlin&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;But what is true is already so, owning up to it doesn&#039;t make it worse, and not thinking about it doesn&#039;t make it go away.&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>most of the individual-level advice I’ve read seems to fall into Roissy’s “enjoy the decline” idea, with some other people suggesting that you look for a bride in a third world country</p></blockquote>
<p>Whoops, I got my bloggers mixed up. &#8220;Enjoy the decline&#8221; is <a href="http://captaincapitalism.blogspot.com/2013/01/enjoy-decline-now-available.html" rel="nofollow">Captain Capitalism&#8217;s phrase</a>, not Roissy&#8217;s. <a href="http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/07/23/a-traditionalist-manifesto/" rel="nofollow">Roissy&#8217;s phrase</a> is &#8220;poolside, getting a tan.&#8221; Then again, both express the same idea.</p>
<p>@Multiheaded: Believe me, I am NOT happy about living in the world Roissy describes. Realizing that God doesn&#8217;t exist, that heaven is a lie, and that we  live in an uncaring universe? Weaksauce. Realizing that the PUA worldview was correct was easily the hardest truth I have ever had to face. <a href="http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Litany_of_Gendlin" rel="nofollow">But what is true is already so, owning up to it doesn&#8217;t make it worse, and not thinking about it doesn&#8217;t make it go away.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brain-Stretchers &#124; Random Nuclear Strikes</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Nov 2013 19:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Star Codex and the Reactionaries, one two three. See also the social justice with rigor post. Also his link posts are pretty effin&#8217; [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Star Codex and the Reactionaries, one two three. See also the social justice with rigor post. Also his link posts are pretty effin&#8217; [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Multiheaded</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Nov 2013 02:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Konkvistador, just making a general note that so much of what&#039;ve you been saying is total fucking bullshit, and your priors against democracy don&#039;t hold, which is why I&#039;ve updated away from them (although that left me in a far less badass political position).

Democracy, with proper feedback tools, like rule of law and mass media is OK (ask everyone)... sluttiness is OK (ask the Romans)... feminism and social democracy might not be eye-grabbing but &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/cockblocked-by-redistribution&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;rapists&lt;/a&gt; hate it... the &quot;social justice&quot; activism on the internet doesn&#039;t work like you think it works, and learns plenty from its own errors... militant atheism and enforced multiculturalism and single motherhood and abortions and cheerful Communist youth brandwashing squads &lt;b&gt;get you into space!&lt;/b&gt;

At this point I really see little reason to view the &quot;neo-reactionary&quot; memes as more that anti-proletarian propaganada by an emrerging bro-ish tech elite. Same as all the &lt;a href=&quot;http://exiledonline.com/recovered-economic-history-everyone-but-an-idiot-knows-that-the-lower-classes-must-be-kept-poor-or-they-will-never-be-industrious/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;nasty long diatribes&lt;/a&gt;  against the vicious lower classses that were hot shit during the British Industrial Revolution. Only this time it&#039;s about the other groups whom you despise, like women who don&#039;t confirm to your idea of womanhood.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Konkvistador, just making a general note that so much of what&#8217;ve you been saying is total fucking bullshit, and your priors against democracy don&#8217;t hold, which is why I&#8217;ve updated away from them (although that left me in a far less badass political position).</p>
<p>Democracy, with proper feedback tools, like rule of law and mass media is OK (ask everyone)&#8230; sluttiness is OK (ask the Romans)&#8230; feminism and social democracy might not be eye-grabbing but <a href="http://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/cockblocked-by-redistribution" rel="nofollow">rapists</a> hate it&#8230; the &#8220;social justice&#8221; activism on the internet doesn&#8217;t work like you think it works, and learns plenty from its own errors&#8230; militant atheism and enforced multiculturalism and single motherhood and abortions and cheerful Communist youth brandwashing squads <b>get you into space!</b></p>
<p>At this point I really see little reason to view the &#8220;neo-reactionary&#8221; memes as more that anti-proletarian propaganada by an emrerging bro-ish tech elite. Same as all the <a href="http://exiledonline.com/recovered-economic-history-everyone-but-an-idiot-knows-that-the-lower-classes-must-be-kept-poor-or-they-will-never-be-industrious/" rel="nofollow">nasty long diatribes</a>  against the vicious lower classses that were hot shit during the British Industrial Revolution. Only this time it&#8217;s about the other groups whom you despise, like women who don&#8217;t confirm to your idea of womanhood.</p>
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		<title>By: Army1987</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Nov 2013 22:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it&#039;s interesting that reactionaries will respond to statistics about whether married people are happier than unmarried people with ‘marriage isn&#039;t about the spouses&#039; happiness’ but have no qualms using statistics about whether breadwinners are happier than homemakers. It sounds like marriage isn&#039;t about the spouses&#039; happiness but work &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; about the employees&#039; happiness.

It also seems to me like (to a zeroth approximation) people who oppose no-fault divorce are OK with at-will employment (i.e., right-wingers) and vice versa (i.e., left-wingers). Sure, the differences in bargaining power are different for the two, but...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s interesting that reactionaries will respond to statistics about whether married people are happier than unmarried people with ‘marriage isn&#8217;t about the spouses&#8217; happiness’ but have no qualms using statistics about whether breadwinners are happier than homemakers. It sounds like marriage isn&#8217;t about the spouses&#8217; happiness but work <em>is</em> about the employees&#8217; happiness.</p>
<p>It also seems to me like (to a zeroth approximation) people who oppose no-fault divorce are OK with at-will employment (i.e., right-wingers) and vice versa (i.e., left-wingers). Sure, the differences in bargaining power are different for the two, but&#8230;</p>
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