Comments on: Fake Consensualism http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/08/25/fake-consensualism/ In a mad world, all blogging is psychiatry blogging Fri, 24 Jul 2015 07:14:51 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.3 By: MugaSofer http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/08/25/fake-consensualism/#comment-28881 Fri, 17 Jan 2014 04:16:30 +0000 http://slatestarcodex.com/?p=943#comment-28881 “It’s wrong to have even one person be pressured into something they will later decide felt like abuse.”

Later decide felt like being sexually abused? You been on the redpill again, Scott?

Seriously, I think the sheer obvious truth that BSDM should be legal is making you overstate your case by trivializing rape. Probably a similar effect is responsible for much trivializing of rape in similar ways by conservatives actually … hmm, thanks for the insight into that.

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]]> By: Anonymous http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/08/25/fake-consensualism/#comment-16724 Tue, 17 Sep 2013 18:58:57 +0000 http://slatestarcodex.com/?p=943#comment-16724 It’s actually more complicated than that.

You can consent to anything up to GBH (but not murder / manslaughter) on a wide range of ‘acceptable’ grounds – many of which are totally reasonable (e.g. medical care, extreme sports) but up to and including including ‘rough horseplay’, used to great effect as a defence in cases of military hazing…

But ‘sexual’ is not one of those grounds for consent.

You _can_ consent to battery for sexual purposes – it’s ABH and above that you can’t consent to for that purpose. (ABH being essentially ‘anything that doesn’t heal up in a couple of days’).

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]]> By: Anonymous http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/08/25/fake-consensualism/#comment-16361 Sun, 01 Sep 2013 16:12:21 +0000 http://slatestarcodex.com/?p=943#comment-16361 “initiation of force my arse.”

What do you think the police do when someone breaks these laws, e.g. allows me to buy suitable euthanasia drugs? Or what they do if I am “caught” trying to end my life?

“And I am willing to use whatever force is optimal for avoiding disutility.”

I have no idea how my self-ownership causes you disutility! Unlike you, I have not demanded a right to meddle with your body, money and life!

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]]> By: MugaSofer http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/08/25/fake-consensualism/#comment-16359 Sun, 01 Sep 2013 15:53:46 +0000 http://slatestarcodex.com/?p=943#comment-16359 Dude, sacred value is just a term. It’s a question of how people react when you suggest trading it off against, say, 3^^^^^3 dustspecks.

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]]> By: MugaSofer http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/08/25/fake-consensualism/#comment-16355 Sun, 01 Sep 2013 15:45:23 +0000 http://slatestarcodex.com/?p=943#comment-16355 It’s intended as a reductio ad absurdum.

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]]> By: MugaSofer http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/08/25/fake-consensualism/#comment-16353 Sun, 01 Sep 2013 15:42:17 +0000 http://slatestarcodex.com/?p=943#comment-16353 Well that’s very … melodramatic, and of course hypocritical (initiation of force my arse.) But yeah, as a matter of fact, I do “make a claim on” things you plan to use to cause me disutility. And I am willing to use whatever force is optimal for avoiding disutility.

With that said, I have since read Scott’s follow-up suggesting the netherlands slippery-slope data is flawed, and Yudowsky’s point that it’s much much better to just use cryogenics rather than struggle this hard to give people small, unpleasant amounts of time. So I’m not quite as anti-euthanasia as I was when I wrote that.

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]]> By: anon1 http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/08/25/fake-consensualism/#comment-16270 Fri, 30 Aug 2013 22:32:45 +0000 http://slatestarcodex.com/?p=943#comment-16270 Is it that in boxing you risk being injured but don’t know which injuries if any will actually occur, and it’s different if the specific injury is known beforehand?

Or is there just no way this makes any sense?

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]]> By: Nancy Lebovitz http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/08/25/fake-consensualism/#comment-16253 Fri, 30 Aug 2013 14:21:50 +0000 http://slatestarcodex.com/?p=943#comment-16253 Scott, I hope you’ll take a crack at this subject. It seems entirely reasonable that culture will affect how euthanasia is offered or enforced.

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]]> By: Anonymous http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/08/25/fake-consensualism/#comment-16241 Fri, 30 Aug 2013 08:22:09 +0000 http://slatestarcodex.com/?p=943#comment-16241 “offer any aid”

Of course you can offer him aid on a voluntary basis. I think that should go without saying.

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]]> By: Anonymous http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/08/25/fake-consensualism/#comment-16240 Fri, 30 Aug 2013 08:20:40 +0000 http://slatestarcodex.com/?p=943#comment-16240 Yes, that’s correct, if you know Joe cut his own throat without external force. However, it is an unrealistic scenario. Would you ever expect this to happen?

Consensual duels – and certainly well-reflected euthanasia – are realistic and should of course be legal.

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