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		<title>By: UW9</title>
		<link>http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/04/26/links-for-april/#comment-44988</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2014 11:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s the sound of the space police.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the sound of the space police.</p>
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		<title>By: Roxolan</title>
		<link>http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/04/26/links-for-april/#comment-25008</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Dec 2013 16:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt; Or is the evil that people use apriori information (aka “stereotypes”) to construct priors? Wait, I thought you were a lesswrong rationalist? Aren’t people supposed to be Bayesian reasoners? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Are you saying that it is *correct* to assume that male scientists write better scientific studies than female scientists? Or is it that you don&#039;t think widespread bad priors are a bad thing, so long as one is using them to do proper Bayesian reasoning? Or am I misunderstanding you completely?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> Or is the evil that people use apriori information (aka “stereotypes”) to construct priors? Wait, I thought you were a lesswrong rationalist? Aren’t people supposed to be Bayesian reasoners? </p></blockquote>
<p>Are you saying that it is *correct* to assume that male scientists write better scientific studies than female scientists? Or is it that you don&#8217;t think widespread bad priors are a bad thing, so long as one is using them to do proper Bayesian reasoning? Or am I misunderstanding you completely?</p>
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		<title>By: Curious</title>
		<link>http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/04/26/links-for-april/#comment-11927</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 17:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why &#039;naturally&#039;? Sorry, but I am not familiar with the Reddit community...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why &#8216;naturally&#8217;? Sorry, but I am not familiar with the Reddit community&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Torek</title>
		<link>http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/04/26/links-for-april/#comment-10750</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 May 2013 14:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tononi&#039;s view on consciousness is the first information-theoretic approach I&#039;ve ever seen that has a plausible take on qualia.  Which doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s correct, but hey, at least it&#039;s not functionalism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tononi&#8217;s view on consciousness is the first information-theoretic approach I&#8217;ve ever seen that has a plausible take on qualia.  Which doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s correct, but hey, at least it&#8217;s not functionalism.</p>
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		<title>By: Leonard</title>
		<link>http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/04/26/links-for-april/#comment-9835</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Apr 2013 14:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You say that gender norms are bad because talent might be distributed poorly.  Even allowing inefficiency as a problem (I thought the game was supposed to be utils per second?), the study in question is no evidence that it is the case.  All that the study shows is that people are biased in a manner which is consistent with what you&#039;d get from a correct application of Bayesian reasoning.  If you give a Bayesian reasoner very little information, you should expect to discover his stereotypes.   Indeed, if you give a Bayesian reasoner zero information (which is almost what they did), you should expect to discover &lt;i&gt;only&lt;/i&gt; his stereotypes.

So how would one design an experiment to distinguish between correct Bayesian reasoning and incorrect reasoning?  I&#039;d suggest a multiple stage approach.  First you give your subjects the 150-word abstracts (that is, a small amount of information).  Then you sample their opinions.  Second, you give them the full paper.  (More info.)  Then you sample again.  Ideally you might then add a third stage, perhaps a second paper by the purported authors.  And again sample opinion.   The bigotry theory of gender norms suggests that more information will not change the opinions of the subjects: they know that women should not do math, dammit, because math is hard, even though this paper really is a pretty good result!  The Bayesian theory suggests that more information will change their opinions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say that gender norms are bad because talent might be distributed poorly.  Even allowing inefficiency as a problem (I thought the game was supposed to be utils per second?), the study in question is no evidence that it is the case.  All that the study shows is that people are biased in a manner which is consistent with what you&#8217;d get from a correct application of Bayesian reasoning.  If you give a Bayesian reasoner very little information, you should expect to discover his stereotypes.   Indeed, if you give a Bayesian reasoner zero information (which is almost what they did), you should expect to discover <i>only</i> his stereotypes.</p>
<p>So how would one design an experiment to distinguish between correct Bayesian reasoning and incorrect reasoning?  I&#8217;d suggest a multiple stage approach.  First you give your subjects the 150-word abstracts (that is, a small amount of information).  Then you sample their opinions.  Second, you give them the full paper.  (More info.)  Then you sample again.  Ideally you might then add a third stage, perhaps a second paper by the purported authors.  And again sample opinion.   The bigotry theory of gender norms suggests that more information will not change the opinions of the subjects: they know that women should not do math, dammit, because math is hard, even though this paper really is a pretty good result!  The Bayesian theory suggests that more information will change their opinions.</p>
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		<title>By: ozymandias42</title>
		<link>http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/04/26/links-for-april/#comment-9372</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 19:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is bad because there are some women who would be better at being journalists than at raising children, but instead are raising children, and some men who would be better at raising children than being a journalist, but instead are being journalists. This is an inefficient way of distributing talent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is bad because there are some women who would be better at being journalists than at raising children, but instead are raising children, and some men who would be better at raising children than being a journalist, but instead are being journalists. This is an inefficient way of distributing talent.</p>
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		<title>By: Leonard</title>
		<link>http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/04/26/links-for-april/#comment-8136</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leonard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 15:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt; both women and men working together to enforce norms that some areas should be male and others should be female. Which of course is pretty bad in itself.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Sustaining gender norms is bad?  Why?  Is it evil that men are dominant in the fields of &quot;political communication, computers, news and journalism&quot;?  Is it wrong that women are more interested in &quot;children, parenting and body image&quot;?  Or is the evil that people (or rather graduate students in communication) have &lt;i&gt;noticed&lt;/i&gt; these aspects of the real world?  Or is the evil that people use &lt;i&gt;apriori&lt;/i&gt; information (aka &quot;stereotypes&quot;) to construct priors?  Wait, I thought you were a lesswrong rationalist?  Aren&#039;t people supposed to be Bayesian reasoners?

I might also point out that in asking people to rate a paper using a 150 world abstract, the researchers were dialing down the signal to a very low level.  This comment is more than 150 words.  Certainly one can say &lt;i&gt;something&lt;/i&gt; in 150 words, but not that much.  And the article you linked, at least, gives no hint as to how strong the effect was.  Just that people rate male-authored articles in &quot;male&quot; areas &quot;significantly higher&quot;.  &quot;Significance&quot; is a very low bar.  Is this a little higher, or a lot?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> both women and men working together to enforce norms that some areas should be male and others should be female. Which of course is pretty bad in itself.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sustaining gender norms is bad?  Why?  Is it evil that men are dominant in the fields of &#8220;political communication, computers, news and journalism&#8221;?  Is it wrong that women are more interested in &#8220;children, parenting and body image&#8221;?  Or is the evil that people (or rather graduate students in communication) have <i>noticed</i> these aspects of the real world?  Or is the evil that people use <i>apriori</i> information (aka &#8220;stereotypes&#8221;) to construct priors?  Wait, I thought you were a lesswrong rationalist?  Aren&#8217;t people supposed to be Bayesian reasoners?</p>
<p>I might also point out that in asking people to rate a paper using a 150 world abstract, the researchers were dialing down the signal to a very low level.  This comment is more than 150 words.  Certainly one can say <i>something</i> in 150 words, but not that much.  And the article you linked, at least, gives no hint as to how strong the effect was.  Just that people rate male-authored articles in &#8220;male&#8221; areas &#8220;significantly higher&#8221;.  &#8220;Significance&#8221; is a very low bar.  Is this a little higher, or a lot?</p>
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		<title>By: anon1</title>
		<link>http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/04/26/links-for-april/#comment-5634</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 03:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also it seems implausible to me that any newly-developed compound that elevates mood consistently in both depressed and non-depressed people would remain legal for long.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also it seems implausible to me that any newly-developed compound that elevates mood consistently in both depressed and non-depressed people would remain legal for long.</p>
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		<title>By: novalis</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 01:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In English, we have a similar line: Incest is best, put your sister to the test!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In English, we have a similar line: Incest is best, put your sister to the test!</p>
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		<title>By: April</title>
		<link>http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/04/26/links-for-april/#comment-5618</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[April]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Apr 2013 23:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OMG... a page of links just for me! Thank you Scott!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG&#8230; a page of links just for me! Thank you Scott!</p>
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