Comments on: Pope and Change: An Atheist’s Guide To Vatican Decision 2013 http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/02/28/pope-and-change-an-atheists-guide-to-vatican-decision-2013/ In a mad world, all blogging is psychiatry blogging Fri, 24 Jul 2015 12:39:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.3 By: Erik http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/02/28/pope-and-change-an-atheists-guide-to-vatican-decision-2013/#comment-9936 Wed, 01 May 2013 09:43:55 +0000 http://slatestarcodex.com/?p=188#comment-9936 It seems the spambots are finding their way over from the last blog.

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]]> By: gwern http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/02/28/pope-and-change-an-atheists-guide-to-vatican-decision-2013/#comment-1414 Wed, 13 Mar 2013 19:39:01 +0000 http://slatestarcodex.com/?p=188#comment-1414 Sad to say, the new pope (Jorge Mario Bergoglio) was not on this list.

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]]> By: Li http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/02/28/pope-and-change-an-atheists-guide-to-vatican-decision-2013/#comment-798 Tue, 05 Mar 2013 04:32:54 +0000 http://slatestarcodex.com/?p=188#comment-798 I’d have to agree with the assesment on the Italian bloc. The recent ‘Vatileaks’ controversy has nearly assured that Bertone will not be a contender, and the apparent fractionalization seems to have discouraged a return to an Italian Papacy.

Really, there doesn’t seem to be any obvious front runner… though Cardinal Turkson might be the leader. Perhaps we might end up with an Eastern Rite or Asian Pope?

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]]> By: Multiheaded http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/02/28/pope-and-change-an-atheists-guide-to-vatican-decision-2013/#comment-533 Sun, 03 Mar 2013 18:26:16 +0000 http://slatestarcodex.com/?p=188#comment-533 CHECKMATE, REACTIONISTS!

(I googled for “N.C.R.” + “Jacobin” and got this.
On that note, for a more literally Jacobin Catholic, see Chesterton)

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]]> By: Fnord http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/02/28/pope-and-change-an-atheists-guide-to-vatican-decision-2013/#comment-490 Sat, 02 Mar 2013 00:43:15 +0000 http://slatestarcodex.com/?p=188#comment-490 I know only slightly more about British honors than German ones. But if it’s only a courtesy, wouldn’t it be superseded by his status as a cardinal (which, now that I think about it, might be the reason he’s addressed the way he is in German, too)?

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]]> By: Damien http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/02/28/pope-and-change-an-atheists-guide-to-vatican-decision-2013/#comment-485 Fri, 01 Mar 2013 19:04:03 +0000 http://slatestarcodex.com/?p=188#comment-485 “And it seems sort of like a form of cultural imperialism to demand the head of a religion I don’t believe should parrot my views and ignore the views of his religion’s actual members.”

Well, err, AIUI if the Pope matched the views of his religion’s actual members then he’d be considerably more liberal. Certainly from a Western European or American (North and South) perspective. Lots of use of birth control and abortion and support for gay marriage among Catholics…

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]]> By: Benkern http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/02/28/pope-and-change-an-atheists-guide-to-vatican-decision-2013/#comment-483 Fri, 01 Mar 2013 15:18:52 +0000 http://slatestarcodex.com/?p=188#comment-483 Gianfranco Ravasi’s stuff connecting the Church with mainstream intellectual debate, I think, makes him quite interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gianfranco_Ravasi#Court_of_the_Gentiles

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]]> By: Oligopsony http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/02/28/pope-and-change-an-atheists-guide-to-vatican-decision-2013/#comment-481 Fri, 01 Mar 2013 15:11:22 +0000 http://slatestarcodex.com/?p=188#comment-481 The Jacobin Catholics at National Catholic Reporter have actual beat reporters, and so they have the best coverage I’ve been able to find. If nothing else their prosopography of the papabiles is great reading.

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]]> By: Konkvistador http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/02/28/pope-and-change-an-atheists-guide-to-vatican-decision-2013/#comment-480 Fri, 01 Mar 2013 13:44:54 +0000 http://slatestarcodex.com/?p=188#comment-480 Bishops of the Church of England really should be commended for the positive example they set. Their commitment to the ideal of healing this schism is only matched by their tireless work towards the goal. Minimizing and hopefully eventually eliminating such obsolete and archaic theological concepts as “Jesus” and “God” in favor of updated ones such as “Diversity”,”Human Rights” and “The Environment”.

Not to say the Anglican Church doesn’t have problems. For example one of their most recent reform attempts allowed actual democracy… eh… I mean populist pandering to the laity to get in the way.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/20/campaigners-women-bishops-foiled-laity

Who do those mere *believers* who go to Church think they are to embarrass the great Bishops in this way? How are the latter supposed to socialize now with the upper and middle class with this terrible scarlet letter S embroidered on their vestments? Don’t they care about the seats in the House of Lords? And even more importantly what the BBC or The Guardian shall say? Where do they think they live, in a kingdom not of this world!?? Do they now serve Mammon?

But to keep this in perspective the Papacy in New York has very similar problems and so should not cast any stones.

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]]> By: Athrelon http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/02/28/pope-and-change-an-atheists-guide-to-vatican-decision-2013/#comment-479 Fri, 01 Mar 2013 13:16:47 +0000 http://slatestarcodex.com/?p=188#comment-479 Of course, there is good reason for a a progressive to prefer a progressive Pope even while respecting the institution (though not its ideas). A sufficiently progressive Pope would heal the schism between the papacy in Rome and the papacy in New York, and wouldn’t that be a beautiful thing?

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