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		<title>By: Annuntio vobis gaudium magnum: habemus officium! &#124; Slate Star Codex</title>
		<link>http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/02/20/future-tense/#comment-1494</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2013 19:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] who never remembered my name and yelled at me if I got too close to a patient. And then I would figure out something else. As the old saying goes, &#8220;If at first you don&#8217;t succeed, try again. Then give up. No [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] who never remembered my name and yelled at me if I got too close to a patient. And then I would figure out something else. As the old saying goes, &#8220;If at first you don&#8217;t succeed, try again. Then give up. No [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Alexander</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2013 09:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you want to be very precise about this, the best way to do it would be to look at http://www.nrmp.org/data/chartingoutcomes2011.pdf . I have 13 programs on my rank order list, am an international applicant, and got a score of mid 220s on both USMLEs. This would seem to imply on their curve that I have an 85% prediction of getting in to a Psychiatry program.

However, I also was very worried about getting in this time and so applied to about 100 programs. Getting 13 interviews after applying to 100 programs is probably very different statistically from getting 13 interviews after applying to 13 programs, since having interviewed at more places increases chances both because you have more people who might accept you &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; because it is caused by you being a better candidate whom more people want to interview. I applied to somewhat more places than average so I don&#039;t know how valuable those data would be.

On the other hand, my pet theory is that those curves are actually wrong; the real data show that international applicants with low-teens number of places on their rank-order lists do &lt;i&gt;better&lt;/i&gt; than people with 16+, probably because some people get confused and just fill in all their rank order list slots (20) without having actually interviewed there (this has no effect). So it looks like getting 13 ranks may be somewhere better than what the curve would predict.

Right now I think my main strategy is just going to be to be terrified but find out one way or the other soon enough.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to be very precise about this, the best way to do it would be to look at <a href="http://www.nrmp.org/data/chartingoutcomes2011.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.nrmp.org/data/chartingoutcomes2011.pdf</a> . I have 13 programs on my rank order list, am an international applicant, and got a score of mid 220s on both USMLEs. This would seem to imply on their curve that I have an 85% prediction of getting in to a Psychiatry program.</p>
<p>However, I also was very worried about getting in this time and so applied to about 100 programs. Getting 13 interviews after applying to 100 programs is probably very different statistically from getting 13 interviews after applying to 13 programs, since having interviewed at more places increases chances both because you have more people who might accept you <i>and</i> because it is caused by you being a better candidate whom more people want to interview. I applied to somewhat more places than average so I don&#8217;t know how valuable those data would be.</p>
<p>On the other hand, my pet theory is that those curves are actually wrong; the real data show that international applicants with low-teens number of places on their rank-order lists do <i>better</i> than people with 16+, probably because some people get confused and just fill in all their rank order list slots (20) without having actually interviewed there (this has no effect). So it looks like getting 13 ranks may be somewhere better than what the curve would predict.</p>
<p>Right now I think my main strategy is just going to be to be terrified but find out one way or the other soon enough.</p>
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		<title>By: gwern</title>
		<link>http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/02/20/future-tense/#comment-878</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Mar 2013 19:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://predictionbook.com/predictions/16213

I think 93% is too high. Let&#039;s consider Scott&#039;s previous comments:  http://squid314.livejournal.com/307609.html 40 applications; http://squid314.livejournal.com/311111.html all rejected.

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0/40 eh; this looks like a binomial distribution, the Bayesian version of which is the beta distribution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_distribution). A uniform distribution is α = β = 1. Stealing shamelessly from http://learnbayes.blogspot.com/2007/09/r-computations-for-proportion-using.html , we can ask what happens if he applied to 40 last year and 40 this year too:

&lt;code&gt;
a=1; b=a; # uniform prior
n=40; y=0 # tries, successes
a1=a+y; b1=b+n-y # update; remind you of Laplace&#039;s rule?
qbeta(.5, a1, b1) # median
# [1] 0.01676
qbeta(c(.025,.975), a1, b1) # 95% credible interval
# 0.0006173 0.0860438
library(LearnBayes)
m=40; ys=0:m
pred.probs =1)) # at least 1 success out of 40
# [1] 0.4938
sum((pred.probs/2) * (ys&gt;=1)) # halve all probabilities to penalize for being damaged goods
# [1] 0.2469

# redo with just 10 trials last year and 10 more this year
# since 40 does sound implausibly high
n=10; y=0; a1=a+y; b1=b+n-y
qbeta(.5, a1, b1) # median
# [1] 0.06107
qbeta(c(.025,.975), a1, b1)
# [1] 0.002299 0.284914
library(LearnBayes)
m=10; ys=0:m
pred.probs =1))
# [1] 0.4762
sum((pred.probs/2) * (ys&gt;=1))
# [1] 0.2381
&lt;/code&gt;

Some non-Bayesian calculations using the upper confidence interval instead:

&lt;code&gt;
n=40
binom.test(0,n)
# 	Exact binomial test
# 
# data:  0 and 40 
# number of successes = 0, number of trials = 40, p-value = 1.819e-12
# alternative hypothesis: true probability of success is not equal to 0.5 
# 95 percent confidence interval:
#  0.0000 0.0881 
# sample estimates:
# probability of success 
#                      0 
1 - pbinom(1, n, binom.test(0,n)$conf.int[2]) # (1 - chance of less than 1) = chance of at least 1
# [1] 0.8784

n=10
binom.test(0,n)
# 	Exact binomial test
# 
# data:  0 and n 
# number of successes = 0, number of trials = 10, p-value = 0.001953
# alternative hypothesis: true probability of success is not equal to 0.5 
# 95 percent confidence interval:
#  0.0000 0.3085 
# sample estimates:
# probability of success 
#                      0 
1 - pbinom(1, n, binom.test(0,n)$conf.int[2])
# [1] 0.8635
&lt;/code&gt;

So one way gives me 30-50% and another way gives me well under your 90%.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://predictionbook.com/predictions/16213" rel="nofollow">http://predictionbook.com/predictions/16213</a></p>
<p>I think 93% is too high. Let&#8217;s consider Scott&#8217;s previous comments:  <a href="http://squid314.livejournal.com/307609.html" rel="nofollow">http://squid314.livejournal.com/307609.html</a> 40 applications; <a href="http://squid314.livejournal.com/311111.html" rel="nofollow">http://squid314.livejournal.com/311111.html</a> all rejected.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>0/40 eh; this looks like a binomial distribution, the Bayesian version of which is the beta distribution (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_distribution" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_distribution</a>). A uniform distribution is α = β = 1. Stealing shamelessly from <a href="http://learnbayes.blogspot.com/2007/09/r-computations-for-proportion-using.html" rel="nofollow">http://learnbayes.blogspot.com/2007/09/r-computations-for-proportion-using.html</a> , we can ask what happens if he applied to 40 last year and 40 this year too:</p>
<p><code><br />
a=1; b=a; # uniform prior<br />
n=40; y=0 # tries, successes<br />
a1=a+y; b1=b+n-y # update; remind you of Laplace's rule?<br />
qbeta(.5, a1, b1) # median<br />
# [1] 0.01676<br />
qbeta(c(.025,.975), a1, b1) # 95% credible interval<br />
# 0.0006173 0.0860438<br />
library(LearnBayes)<br />
m=40; ys=0:m<br />
pred.probs =1)) # at least 1 success out of 40<br />
# [1] 0.4938<br />
sum((pred.probs/2) * (ys&gt;=1)) # halve all probabilities to penalize for being damaged goods<br />
# [1] 0.2469</p>
<p># redo with just 10 trials last year and 10 more this year<br />
# since 40 does sound implausibly high<br />
n=10; y=0; a1=a+y; b1=b+n-y<br />
qbeta(.5, a1, b1) # median<br />
# [1] 0.06107<br />
qbeta(c(.025,.975), a1, b1)<br />
# [1] 0.002299 0.284914<br />
library(LearnBayes)<br />
m=10; ys=0:m<br />
pred.probs =1))<br />
# [1] 0.4762<br />
sum((pred.probs/2) * (ys&gt;=1))<br />
# [1] 0.2381<br />
</code></p>
<p>Some non-Bayesian calculations using the upper confidence interval instead:</p>
<p><code><br />
n=40<br />
binom.test(0,n)<br />
# 	Exact binomial test<br />
#<br />
# data:  0 and 40<br />
# number of successes = 0, number of trials = 40, p-value = 1.819e-12<br />
# alternative hypothesis: true probability of success is not equal to 0.5<br />
# 95 percent confidence interval:<br />
#  0.0000 0.0881<br />
# sample estimates:<br />
# probability of success<br />
#                      0<br />
1 - pbinom(1, n, binom.test(0,n)$conf.int[2]) # (1 - chance of less than 1) = chance of at least 1<br />
# [1] 0.8784</p>
<p>n=10<br />
binom.test(0,n)<br />
# 	Exact binomial test<br />
#<br />
# data:  0 and n<br />
# number of successes = 0, number of trials = 10, p-value = 0.001953<br />
# alternative hypothesis: true probability of success is not equal to 0.5<br />
# 95 percent confidence interval:<br />
#  0.0000 0.3085<br />
# sample estimates:<br />
# probability of success<br />
#                      0<br />
1 - pbinom(1, n, binom.test(0,n)$conf.int[2])<br />
# [1] 0.8635<br />
</code></p>
<p>So one way gives me 30-50% and another way gives me well under your 90%.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Torek</title>
		<link>http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/02/20/future-tense/#comment-469</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Mar 2013 01:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Knowing only what I read here, and I haven&#039;t always followed the blog super closely, I rated 93% chance Scott gets his residency (on PredictionBook).  Maybe if more of us register our predictions, this will ease Scott&#039;s mind?  And by the way, I made that 93% estimate &lt;b&gt;before&lt;/b&gt; I noticed how underconfident I&#039;ve been so far on PredictionBook.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Knowing only what I read here, and I haven&#8217;t always followed the blog super closely, I rated 93% chance Scott gets his residency (on PredictionBook).  Maybe if more of us register our predictions, this will ease Scott&#8217;s mind?  And by the way, I made that 93% estimate <b>before</b> I noticed how underconfident I&#8217;ve been so far on PredictionBook.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Fox</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2013 14:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For all its worth, I know of one medical startup -- not MeetaMed, this one was ten years ago -- that hired lots of doctors who were right out of med school but decided not to go into medicine. The company needed the  credibility of saying that &quot;real doctors&quot; had approved all product features.

If done right, this sort of thing can be the start of a very promising career.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all its worth, I know of one medical startup &#8212; not MeetaMed, this one was ten years ago &#8212; that hired lots of doctors who were right out of med school but decided not to go into medicine. The company needed the  credibility of saying that &#8220;real doctors&#8221; had approved all product features.</p>
<p>If done right, this sort of thing can be the start of a very promising career.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2013 14:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(not leaving name publicly for obvious reasons)

I work at a medical journal. Lots of medical doctors here who are not in practice. Worth looking at if you need it?]]></description>
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<p>I work at a medical journal. Lots of medical doctors here who are not in practice. Worth looking at if you need it?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2013 03:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This actually sounds like a really good idea. If your screwed out of a job in the states, try overseas for a while.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This actually sounds like a really good idea. If your screwed out of a job in the states, try overseas for a while.</p>
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		<title>By: Arguggi</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2013 13:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hope this doesn&#039;t sound weird but if you want to learn programming I could help you if you want,

I know C,some R and some Haskell. I&#039;ve helped some of my friends with their Uni classes and I enjoyed myself.

Some of my programs are on my &lt;a href=&quot;https://github.com/Arguggi?tab=repositories&quot; title=&quot;Github&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; profile, I&#039;m not a stellar programmer but I should know the basics.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope this doesn&#8217;t sound weird but if you want to learn programming I could help you if you want,</p>
<p>I know C,some R and some Haskell. I&#8217;ve helped some of my friends with their Uni classes and I enjoyed myself.</p>
<p>Some of my programs are on my <a href="https://github.com/Arguggi?tab=repositories" title="Github" rel="nofollow"> profile, I&#8217;m not a stellar programmer but I should know the basics.</p>
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		<title>By: Links for February 2013 &#124; Slate Star Codex</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Links for February 2013 &#124; Slate Star Codex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2013 08:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] $10K/year. Although &#8220;go to mining engineering school!&#8221; is probably not a great idea for my particular set of career worries, it seems like possibly a good solution for other people in closely related [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] $10K/year. Although &#8220;go to mining engineering school!&#8221; is probably not a great idea for my particular set of career worries, it seems like possibly a good solution for other people in closely related [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Nestor</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2013 21:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130222/03254422068/healthcare-isnt-free-market-its-giant-economic-scam.shtml

Maybe you&#039;re better off outside such a warped system.]]></description>
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<p>Maybe you&#8217;re better off outside such a warped system.</p>
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