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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2014 22:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Which works, specifically, is it hard to get ahold of? Stories published in magazines? Are his any harder than anyone else&#039;s?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which works, specifically, is it hard to get ahold of? Stories published in magazines? Are his any harder than anyone else&#8217;s?</p>
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		<title>By: Nornagest</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2014 20:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ligotti&#039;s fun, but &lt;i&gt;damn&lt;/i&gt; is it hard to get ahold of some of his work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ligotti&#8217;s fun, but <i>damn</i> is it hard to get ahold of some of his work.</p>
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		<title>By: Damien</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Mar 2013 19:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The Old Ones are not demons or even evil gods; they are beyond good and evil in a fashion we can’t even comprehend&quot;

Part of the problem with HPL is that asserting such things isn&#039;t the same as convincing the reader.  I&#039;d say that &quot;beyond good and evil&quot; is bullshit; if you can comprehend the difference and aren&#039;t good then you&#039;re evil, and if you can&#039;t then you&#039;re *beneath* it, not beyond it.

Speaking very simplistically, because blog comment, but that&#039;s the gist of it: if someone says &quot;I am beyond your primitive morality&quot; the only answer is &quot;no you&#039;re not, you evil f-cker.&quot;  (This is different from &quot;your morality is primitive because of X Y and Z, and should be upgraded to W&quot;, which itself may or may not be convincing.)

&quot;Religion, philosophy, morality, even art itself are all ultimately meaningless, merely human creations that have no value or substance beyond what we invest in them&quot;

The other problem with HPL-as-horror is that a lot of moderns are essentially nihilists or existentialists whose response is &quot;yeah, so what?&quot;  Vast gulfs of space and time, the random and contingent nature of evolution, the non-existence of morality as a &quot;thing&quot; rather than a human judgement, the fragility of the human mind and brain, are all things I grew up with, literally.  I&#039;m not even sure how much HPL himself was horrified by such things, vs. cultivating it for his stories; I&#039;ve heard he was pretty pro-science.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Old Ones are not demons or even evil gods; they are beyond good and evil in a fashion we can’t even comprehend&#8221;</p>
<p>Part of the problem with HPL is that asserting such things isn&#8217;t the same as convincing the reader.  I&#8217;d say that &#8220;beyond good and evil&#8221; is bullshit; if you can comprehend the difference and aren&#8217;t good then you&#8217;re evil, and if you can&#8217;t then you&#8217;re *beneath* it, not beyond it.</p>
<p>Speaking very simplistically, because blog comment, but that&#8217;s the gist of it: if someone says &#8220;I am beyond your primitive morality&#8221; the only answer is &#8220;no you&#8217;re not, you evil f-cker.&#8221;  (This is different from &#8220;your morality is primitive because of X Y and Z, and should be upgraded to W&#8221;, which itself may or may not be convincing.)</p>
<p>&#8220;Religion, philosophy, morality, even art itself are all ultimately meaningless, merely human creations that have no value or substance beyond what we invest in them&#8221;</p>
<p>The other problem with HPL-as-horror is that a lot of moderns are essentially nihilists or existentialists whose response is &#8220;yeah, so what?&#8221;  Vast gulfs of space and time, the random and contingent nature of evolution, the non-existence of morality as a &#8220;thing&#8221; rather than a human judgement, the fragility of the human mind and brain, are all things I grew up with, literally.  I&#8217;m not even sure how much HPL himself was horrified by such things, vs. cultivating it for his stories; I&#8217;ve heard he was pretty pro-science.</p>
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		<title>By: Damien</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Damien]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Mar 2013 19:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Morgoth was cast into the outer darkness forever instead of given ten years with time off for good behavior&quot;

Well, they tried the latter already.  Okay, he was called &quot;Melkor&quot; at the time, but still.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Morgoth was cast into the outer darkness forever instead of given ten years with time off for good behavior&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, they tried the latter already.  Okay, he was called &#8220;Melkor&#8221; at the time, but still.</p>
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		<title>By: Damien</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Mar 2013 19:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The dangers of reading the Necronomicon is overrated.  Pretty much any professor of Miskatonic University seemed to have read it.  The mind-ripping part was finding out that what it said was *true*.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The dangers of reading the Necronomicon is overrated.  Pretty much any professor of Miskatonic University seemed to have read it.  The mind-ripping part was finding out that what it said was *true*.</p>
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		<title>By: Pope and Change: An Atheist&#8217;s Guide To Vatican Decision 2013 &#124; Slate Star Codex</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] understand it&#8217;s not always an unalloyed good to mock what is holy. But if something makes a claim to holiness, and falls short, and does it in a really funny way, [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] understand it&#8217;s not always an unalloyed good to mock what is holy. But if something makes a claim to holiness, and falls short, and does it in a really funny way, [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Nomophilos</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2013 22:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath is probably my favourite story from Lovecraft, I read it as a teen and liked it a lot - I like fantasy world building that isn&#039;t in the shadow of Tolkien. I liked his other stories but they didn&#039;t mark me as much.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath is probably my favourite story from Lovecraft, I read it as a teen and liked it a lot &#8211; I like fantasy world building that isn&#8217;t in the shadow of Tolkien. I liked his other stories but they didn&#8217;t mark me as much.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Fox</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joshua Fox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 09:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting fact: H.P. Lovecraft, who disliked immigrants and Jews even more than was acceptable in blue-blood New  England circles of the time, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft#Marriage_and_New_York&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;married&lt;/a&gt; a Jewish immigrant woman, though they separated soon after.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting fact: H.P. Lovecraft, who disliked immigrants and Jews even more than was acceptable in blue-blood New  England circles of the time, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft#Marriage_and_New_York" rel="nofollow">married</a> a Jewish immigrant woman, though they separated soon after.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Fox</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joshua Fox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 09:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My visions  of Cthulhu were largely inspired, for the first ten years or so that I knew about it, by AD&amp;D &lt;i&gt;Deities and Demigods&lt;/i&gt; First Edition. 

Actually, I enjoyed &lt;i&gt;Dreamquest&lt;/i&gt; but his other books and stories (and I have read quite a few) do not inspire the emotions they are intended to.  

Lemony Snicket &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/17/books/review/17HANDLER.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;says: &lt;/a&gt; &quot;It’s impossible to read the work of H. P. Lovecraft (1890–1937) without experiencing a familiar sensation. The throat constricts. The lips purse. A shudder goes through your body, and the hands rise involuntarily to the mouth. But all resistance is futile, and you must succumb — to a profound case of the giggles.&quot;

I don&#039;t agree with Lemony, as I don&#039;t find Lovecraft&#039;s stories funny, though I do find  Cthulhu funny and indeed, my cellphone ringtone for a while was my four children reciting &quot;ph&#039;nglui mglw&#039;nafh Cthulhu R&#039;lyeh wgah&#039;nagl fhtagn&quot; by heart in perfect unison.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My visions  of Cthulhu were largely inspired, for the first ten years or so that I knew about it, by AD&amp;D <i>Deities and Demigods</i> First Edition. </p>
<p>Actually, I enjoyed <i>Dreamquest</i> but his other books and stories (and I have read quite a few) do not inspire the emotions they are intended to.  </p>
<p>Lemony Snicket <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/17/books/review/17HANDLER.html" rel="nofollow">says: </a> &#8220;It’s impossible to read the work of H. P. Lovecraft (1890–1937) without experiencing a familiar sensation. The throat constricts. The lips purse. A shudder goes through your body, and the hands rise involuntarily to the mouth. But all resistance is futile, and you must succumb — to a profound case of the giggles.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree with Lemony, as I don&#8217;t find Lovecraft&#8217;s stories funny, though I do find  Cthulhu funny and indeed, my cellphone ringtone for a while was my four children reciting &#8220;ph&#8217;nglui mglw&#8217;nafh Cthulhu R&#8217;lyeh wgah&#8217;nagl fhtagn&#8221; by heart in perfect unison.</p>
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		<title>By: im</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 19:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, it *was* futile, of course, but I&#039;d say that says more about people&#039;s ability to find racial overtones in everything compared to the Lord of the Rings.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it *was* futile, of course, but I&#8217;d say that says more about people&#8217;s ability to find racial overtones in everything compared to the Lord of the Rings.</p>
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